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Master Socket - Move options and Cost

alan_mc — Fri, 30 Oct 2020 12:43:24 GMT

Hi all,

Looking for advice. I moved into a new build 3 yrs ago, and for some reason the model of house I moved into had its master socket installed in the internal garage basically isolating the router off from the rest of the home and removing the ability to place it in its most optimal position in the actual living space of the home. I've included an example floor plan to illustrate with master location circled in black.

As you would imagine, the internal door to the garage is a security/fire door and trying to run the router from any extension results in a drop in performance.

I currently have the complete wi-fi setup to extend the signal, but can't help thinking i could be getting more WI-FI performance from the router if the master socket was in a different room, say the living room where there is currently an extension socket (circled in red). Also, i don't think the signal from router to discs is as good as it can be. I'm using a powerline adapter for the you view box as requires enet, but rather than having extenders/disks etc. plugged in everywhere, I'd rather just have the master socket in an ideal location.

So, basically, looking for advice into whether it would be worth forking out the cash to move the master socket, and if so, how do i go about arranging this from BT and what are the likely costs.

thanks

Re: Master Socket - Move options and Cost

licquorice — Fri, 30 Oct 2020 13:05:02 GMT

Why not just use the router in the current extension socket? If the master is a filtered socket with a broadband and phone sockets separate, simply move the 2 wires from terminals 2&5 in the faceplate to the data extension terminals. You will then need to use a filter at the extension socket.

Re: Master Socket - Move options and Cost

alan_mc — Fri, 30 Oct 2020 13:14:05 GMT

Thought you aren't supposed to mess with master socket (current set up has mk4 faceplate on it)

Re: Master Socket - Move options and Cost

imjolly — Fri, 30 Oct 2020 13:16:06 GMT

internal wiring is your responsibility so you can add or change to suit you

https://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/helpandsupport/how-toguides/howtoguides/downloads/NTE5C_Instructions_CP.pdf

Re: Master Socket - Move options and Cost

licquorice — Fri, 30 Oct 2020 13:20:06 GMT

As @imjolly says, it is only the incoming wires you are not supposed to touch. The extension wiring from either the faceplate or data extension terminals is your responsibility

Re: Master Socket - Move options and Cost

alan_mc — Fri, 30 Oct 2020 13:29:46 GMT

So my setup has no external cables, everything (cabling) for the master 5c is fed into back of the plate. The blue clip in the pictures is clear on mine but you see no wires at all. The mk 4 just clips on again with no wiring.

Re: Master Socket - Move options and Cost

imjolly — Fri, 30 Oct 2020 13:36:45 GMT

the newer sockets the extension connection is clear with terminals 5,3,2 the data extension connection is 2 terminals on back of detachable faceplate

so where is the extension wiring in the master feeding your extension sockets in your home?

Re: Master Socket - Move options and Cost

licquorice — Fri, 30 Oct 2020 13:49:51 GMT

It sounds as though your master and extension sockets are both star wired from a junction box somewhere. The good news is that you should just be able to plug your hub in the extension socket (have you actually tried that?), the bad news is your speed might be less than optimal with that wiring arrangement.

Re: Master Socket - Move options and Cost

alan_mc — Fri, 30 Oct 2020 13:56:33 GMT

Tried plugging into extension, not great. I just spotted the wires

Re: Master Socket - Move options and Cost

alan_mc — Fri, 30 Oct 2020 14:26:14 GMT

Connected up per diagram but d/l speed dropped and upload awful.

data rate before was 25 / 2.6

Re: Master Socket - Move options and Cost

imjolly — Fri, 30 Oct 2020 14:25:30 GMT

do you have more than 1 extension socket in your home?

Re: Master Socket - Move options and Cost

alan_mc — Fri, 30 Oct 2020 14:26:44 GMT

3 total

Re: Master Socket - Move options and Cost

imjolly — Fri, 30 Oct 2020 14:29:24 GMT

as there is only 1 pair of wires at extension connection in master then the other extensions must be daisy chained from each other. are extensions in use or not?

Re: Master Socket - Move options and Cost

alan_mc — Fri, 30 Oct 2020 14:30:38 GMT

Nothing in them, except router now in one

Re: Master Socket - Move options and Cost

alan_mc — Fri, 30 Oct 2020 16:29:00 GMT

any other advice - seems that this has been a failed experiment if my speed has dropped as a result. is this down to my internal wiring or do i need to do anything else ?

Re: Master Socket - Move options and Cost

imjolly — Fri, 30 Oct 2020 16:37:31 GMT

Normally to create the data extension you would move the cable for the extension from terminals 2&5 and connect it to the 2 terminal on the back of the faceplate. You would then need to use a filter in the data extension socket

Re: Master Socket - Move options and Cost

alan_mc — Fri, 30 Oct 2020 16:43:04 GMT

thats what i have done, but as i say the speed dropped as a result 😞 i guess i should just revert it back, unless i go down the original route and have it properly moved.

thanks for the help, back to the garage it goes.

Couple of parting questions:-

Should i still be getting a dial tone on extensions if ive hooked up the data extension to the back of the faceplate? (plugged in a test phone)

Do i need to reconnect anything at master if im moving it back (dont use phone / only mobile)

Re: Master Socket - Move options and Cost

pippincp — Fri, 30 Oct 2020 16:45:20 GMT

An old video so you don't need all the tools but shows how to wire it up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Trk9OnZTIsE

Re: Master Socket - Move options and Cost

licquorice — Fri, 30 Oct 2020 17:09:24 GMT

@alan_mc wrote:

thats what i have done, but as i say the speed dropped as a result 😞 i guess i should just revert it back, unless i go down the original route and have it properly moved.

thanks for the help, back to the garage it goes.

Before you do that, try disconnecting any wiring to further extensions not in use. I'm assuming that the extension you wish to use is directly connected to the master and not via one of the other extensions. I.e it is the first in the daisy chain after the master.

Couple of parting questions:-

Should i still be getting a dial tone on extensions if ive hooked up the data extension to the back of the faceplate? (plugged in a test phone)

Yes

Do i need to reconnect anything at master if im moving it back (dont use phone / only mobile)

No

Re: Master Socket - Move options and Cost

alan_mc — Fri, 30 Oct 2020 17:20:43 GMT

Before you do that, try disconnecting any wiring to further extensions not in use. I'm assuming that the extension you wish to use is directly connected to the master and not via one of the other extensions. I.e it is the first in the daisy chain after the master.

I dont think it is tbh, but i could try disconnecting the others since i dont use anyway and i'll report back.