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Unstable WiFi and Ethernet connections suddenly

Pale91 — Thu, 25 Feb 2021 21:52:11 GMT

Hello! I'm fairly desperate for help at this point, so I hope something rings a bell for some clever person here.

For months now, I've been suffering through various problems impacting my internet. For this first post, I'm going to write a kind of list of the symptoms, with the 'solutions' that were applied. While reading the symptoms please keep the following in mind - I'm not great with the technical terms for everything! Please bear with me! 🙂

Oct. 2020

WiFi cuts out when house phone rings

Speeds seem slower overall

Crackling on phone line

Engineer #1 changes filter box on master socket.
We try a new house phone, thinking it might be because they're old. Cracking occurs on this too.

Oct-Nov

Speeds still exceptionally slow. For over a year the speed would sit at 45-50mbps download and 6-9mbps upload. Around this time, they'd drop to 5-25mbps, consistently staying that way for hours.

BT kept telling me that they'd checked my line, there was no fault, and I was getting the guaranteed speed

When opening a Chrome tab, the WiFi would crash completely. I stopped being able to stream games (via Discord or Twitch, I had been streaming on Twitch with no problems for years before this) and I stopped being able to watch streams. Both of these actions would cause my speed to drop to 1mbps-5mbps. A kind of ''almost'' disconnect would occur.

Dec.

BT send me out a new router. SmartHub2. It takes about a month to arrive. (I know! 😡)
I have a new PC now, upgrading from a laptop. Problems still occur on PC, if not worse
BT Home Tech comes out, puts the new router in and basically says good luck! That same night, I try to stream via Discord, and the router crashes. It's on orange for about 15 minutes. When it comes back on, every device is sitting on 1mbps download. This persists for a day or so.
I switch back to previous router. BTHub6. Manage to regain some speed, jumping between 5mbps-25mbps again. Very inconsistent.
I monitor the Technical Log on the BTHub6 Home. There are hundreds of micro disconnections across all devices. Ranging from 3seconds to 5minutes. (Is this normal?) Going back months.

Jan. 2021

Speeds are still consistently low. On top of that, for the first time ever, the WiFi signal is horrible everywhere in the cottage (it's a small cottage). For almost a decade our signal has been fine, always on Excellent. Now it's barely hitting 'Fair', it sits between Fair and Poor most of the time. Sometimes reaching Good, but never Excellent again.

BT convinces me it's WiFi interference. Suggesting that it's the walls causing the lack of signal & stability.

I change settings in the BTHub6 home.
Separated 2.4ghz & 5ghz.
Turned off 5ghz as it appeared as though none of the devices used it (Does this matter?)
Manually chose a channel. There are only 3. I spent some days/weeks using each channel to see if it'd change anything.

I try to explain to them the following:

Nothing has changed in my house. No walls have moved. Why now? All of a sudden the WiFi is being effected by something? I am aware that outside interference can happen too.

I monitor the speeds via short Ethernet cable to my laptop and WiFi, as I have done for weeks
Engineer #3 moves router from upstairs to downstairs. Changes master socket from upstairs, to downstairs.
Engineer #3 also adjusts the noise cap. He said it should be on at least 6, but that ours was on 3.
After this, the speeds were even slower, now rarely going above 20mbps, and the stability wasn't much better. Streaming is still a no-go.

Jan-Feb

I decide to buy an Ethernet cable that will reach from the router to my PC.

Disconnections are still happening. Speed is sitting around 40mbps on wired. Occasionally the router will crash and sit on orange for anywhere between 3minutes-30minutes. My PC has micro disconnections, for 3seconds-10seconds, so by the time I jump up to check my router, it's blue and everything is reconnected. These micro disconnections are happening across all devices.

I guess to conclude, I have some questions.

1) Can a PC cause these problems across a network?

2) Can interference be this extreme?

3) Are any of these symptoms DNS related?

I have Engineer #4 coming out tomorrow, but I know how it will proceed. Every engineer comes in, tests my line speed via the router and says ''you're getting the speed you're supposed to'' and then leaves. As if intermittment faults don't exist.

I'm at my wit's end trying to figure all of this out, I'm not educated in IT, so I can only report the symptoms and hope that someone much more clever than I can pinpoint the root cause.

Thank you for making it this far, I appreciate any feedback and I'll offer any info required!

Re: Unstable WiFi and Ethernet connections suddenly

Pale91 — Thu, 25 Feb 2021 22:01:28 GMT

Just to add - I have done a noise test, my line is definitely not silent.

Also, the stats from BTHome:

Product name:

BT Hub 6A

Serial number:

+084319+NQ90443505

Firmware version:

SG4B1000E020

Firmware updated:

19-Mar-2020

Board version:

1.0

Gui version:

1.115.0

DSL uptime:

0 Days, 2 Hours 35 Minutes 32 Seconds

Data rate:

9.38 Mbps / 47.46 Mbps

Maximum data rate:

9409 / 48666

Noise margin:

6.2 dB / 6.1 dB

Line attenuation:

42.9 dB (This was 43.7 yesterday)

Signal attenuation:

29.3 dB / 42.9 dB

VPI / VCI:

0/38

Modulation:

G_993_2_ANNEX_B

Latency type:

Fast Path

Data sent / received:

35 MB Uploaded / 354 MB Downloaded

Broadband username:

bthomehub@btbroadband.com

BT Wi-fi:

Active

2.4 GHz wireless network name:

BTHub6-CH7S

2.4 GHz wireless channel:

Channel 11

5 GHz wireless network name:

BTHub6-CH7S-5

5 GHz wireless channel:

Channel 124

Wireless security:

WPA2 (Recommended)

Wireless mode:

Mode 1

Firewall:

MAC address:

00:CB:51:81:02:37

Software variant:

Boot loader:

9.2.0

Re: Unstable WiFi and Ethernet connections suddenly

imjolly — Thu, 25 Feb 2021 22:13:35 GMT

If you have tried quiet line test using the test socket and there is line noise then you need to report a phone fault to 151 or 0800800151 from mobile. Getting rid of line noise will help your broadband connection

Re: Unstable WiFi and Ethernet connections suddenly

Pale91 — Thu, 25 Feb 2021 22:19:52 GMT

Thank you for your reply.

That was the first thing we did when there was crackling and phone calls disconnecting the WiFi. They changed the filter, and that was it.

Would line noise account for these problems listed above?

Re: Unstable WiFi and Ethernet connections suddenly

Gary_C — Thu, 25 Feb 2021 23:41:22 GMT

A crackling line will affect speed
VDSL uses multiple frequencies to pass the data, crackles will interfere with some of these tones and cause errors so in simple terms the system will stop using those tones and reduce the speed.

Now, looking at your stats, your hub appears to be spot on, Synced near the speed you were expecting with a noise margin about what we would expect, which given the crackling and your reported speeds seems odd.

Its difficult to separate wifi problems from line problems, but if your ethernet is affected as the same time as the wifi, then its almost certainly the line.

Only think that makes me wonder is your hub stats, they look fine and if you are getting frequent errors that brings the line down, I would have expected the system to have slowed the line down but its showing sync at the speed you expected with an on target noise margin.
Need to pin down where the problem is now.

Thinking aloud, its possible the crackling is slowing down your connection but it looks ok because its there all the time and without it, the line could sync much faster. What does the openreach wholesale checker say you are expected to get ?

https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADSL and post the results (with any number blurred out)

Re: Unstable WiFi and Ethernet connections suddenly

Pale91 — Fri, 26 Feb 2021 13:27:36 GMT

Thanks for your reply!

Indeed, everything looks fine when it's fine. It's a very intermittent problem, which has made it impossible for me to troubleshoot and pinpoint myself. It's very stressful. Engineers test it once, for a split second, and tell me it's fine... then leave.

Anyway, here's that thingy. I hope you can see this alright. Please let me know.

We haven't had any of these speeds for months now. Even while wired. I'm aware some of the speed is lost, but for years it sat at 45-50mbps. I don't know what has gone wrong.

Thank you all for any info.

Re: Unstable WiFi and Ethernet connections suddenly

Gary_C — Sat, 27 Feb 2021 11:52:50 GMT

So, as the synced speed is about what is expected and your noise margin is on target, it looks to me that the system has not taken action to reduce your line speed to cope with noise.

Is the crackling there all the time (using a a phone directly plugged in, not a cordless one) ?

So we need to determine if its wifi interference or not. To confirm, when you are using a direct ethernet connection to the hub, is that stuttering or disconnecting ?

Re: Unstable WiFi and Ethernet connections suddenly

Pale91 — Sat, 27 Feb 2021 11:58:29 GMT

Thanks for your reply!

Yes, the phone line had always had a crackly static type noise, for years. That's why I'm so confused. Why would it impact things now?

Yes, the Ethernet cuts out too. At random. Occasionally it's only the PC that disconnects. Then other times it's everything. Sometimes for 30 minutes, sometimes for 3 seconds.

About half the time, I can make it to the router in time to check the lights, and sometimes it is indeed sitting on orange. Not every time though.

Can DNS errors cause this behaviour? Apologies if this is a stupid question!

Re: Unstable WiFi and Ethernet connections suddenly

Gary_C — Sat, 27 Feb 2021 21:34:00 GMT

There are few stupid questions when it comes to networking. The Domain Name Server should not cause disconnects of the communication line between your hub and the cabinet. So it could be a line problem or a hub problem. Have you talked to BT about the crackling on the phone line as this seems to be the easiest fault to identify.

For the times that a disconnect happens, can you have a look at the event log on the router for more information ?

Re: Unstable WiFi and Ethernet connections suddenly

Pale91 — Sat, 27 Feb 2021 23:17:35 GMT

I have yeah, they're convinced that everything is WiFi or electrical interference. No matter what I say, it's somehow my fault and problem. When we reported the crackling, the changed the filter in my house, and that's it.

I'll link here the info from the Hub's Technical Logs, and from Windows Event Viewer. Please see attached. Thank you!!

Re: Unstable WiFi and Ethernet connections suddenly

Pale91 — Sat, 27 Feb 2021 23:42:52 GMT

Is any of that dangerous personal information to share? 😞

Re: Unstable WiFi and Ethernet connections suddenly

Gary_C — Sat, 27 Feb 2021 23:50:19 GMT

Oddh
Not seen entries like those before.

Looks like something on the local network, do you have any Apple devices ? Might be worth limiting the number of devices connected and see if you can track it down to one particular device, maybe leave the Sarah desktop off for a while ?
Ensure every machine is set to get its IP address from the local router and is up to date

Re: Unstable WiFi and Ethernet connections suddenly

Pale91 — Sat, 27 Feb 2021 23:57:17 GMT

There is only 2 devices connected at most 😕 none of them are Apple, nope!

Unfortunately the Desktop is the one I use most of all. Sometimes that's the only one that disconnects. Very confused. I appreciate you taking the time to look, thank you.

Re: Unstable WiFi and Ethernet connections suddenly

Gary_C — Sun, 28 Feb 2021 00:16:52 GMT

Humm, need the experts on this one.

Has anything changed or been added ?

Uninstall the driver for the wifi in the PC then add it again with default settings. Ensure every network device is off ( alexa, phones, PC's, printers) then reboot the hub. Probably wont work, I think its asking for something from the DHCP service that it doesn't like. Thing is, when the DHCP gives an address it gives it a lifespan, so it will time out regularly which might explain why it happens almost on schedule.

Re: Unstable WiFi and Ethernet connections suddenly

Pale91 — Sun, 28 Feb 2021 00:35:03 GMT

I got a new PC in early December, but halfthese 'symptoms' pre-date the new PC.

I have indeed reinstalled drivers/power cycled and factory reset the hub.

One question: can a line fault cause DNS warnings/errors?

Thank you

Re: Unstable WiFi and Ethernet connections suddenly

pippincp — Sun, 28 Feb 2021 00:53:41 GMT

Any noise on the line will cause problems and should be reported as a line fault on 151 not a broadband one.

Assign a static IP for you PC in the router set the lease time to the highest available, at present it is 24hrs. Offhand I don't know how you would fo that in the hub but I will get back to you on that unless @Gary_C or @imjolly knows. The last BT hub I ever had was the Hub 3 and it was only used by the engineer who installed my connection. As soon as he left it was disconnected and put back in the box.

As you are worried about DNS I would suggest you change DNS servers on your PC which will overide the BT ones the hub uses.

I suggest cloudflare as primary 1.1.1.1 and Google as secondary 8.8.4.4 you can do this via network and sharing centre. Here's a how to.

Go to the Control Panel.
Click Network and Internet > Network and Sharing Center > Change adapter settings.
Select the connection for which you want to configure.
Select the Networking tab. ...
Click Advanced and select the DNS tab. ...
Click OK.

Select Use the DNS server addresses and enter the one's I've given.

Re: Unstable WiFi and Ethernet connections suddenly

Pale91 — Sun, 28 Feb 2021 00:57:03 GMT

Thank you for this information! I will try that 🙂

The DNS thing is causing me concern, I don't know how to pinpoint whether the problem is with me or with BT's lines outside.

Re: Unstable WiFi and Ethernet connections suddenly

pippincp — Sun, 28 Feb 2021 01:38:28 GMT

That's why I suggested changing DNS. If the problem continues then you can safetly rule it out.

Re: Unstable WiFi and Ethernet connections suddenly

Gary_C — Sun, 28 Feb 2021 12:05:59 GMT

DNS is Domain Name System. A service that translates the named addresses into IP addresses so you dont have to remember strings of numbers.

The errors on the hub that you posted were all about DHCP or Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol which is a service that hands out IP addresses to the machines on your local network.

Now, in the BT hubs you have, from a quick search I don't think you can change the DNS service it uses (I dont use mine either so cant check quickly but I will when I get a moment)

but it feels like a local network problem to me, almost as if one device won't play ball correctly with the hub. The suggestion above about setting a permanent IP address on you PC's is a good one but would need to be outside the range the DHCP service uses to hand out addresses. I will have a scan of my Hub when I find it and try to help with this but you could also search setting up a static IP address in google (static not reserved)

Might be worth just describing every item you have that constitutes your network, ie routers, sky boxes, pc's etc.

Re: Unstable WiFi and Ethernet connections suddenly

Pale91 — Sun, 28 Feb 2021 12:55:43 GMT

Ta, I appreciate that!

There isn't much to tell as far as network set up.

It's the BTHub6, my desktop PC and an android phone. At most it's 2 android phones and the desktop PC.

I definitely agree that it seems like the PC and router aren't getting along, but I don't know what that means in technical terms!

I had an engineer booked for Friday, he didn't show up.

I had a call back booked for this morning, they didn't call back.

It's just a nightmare.

Thanks again.