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BT Full Fibre 100 and Smart Hub 2

crimsom — Thu, 07 Oct 2021 09:12:24 GMT

Openreach has enabled the local FTTP for our street. The Openreach Broadband Engineer was very happy to clarify what is going to be installed in the house. The Openreach FTTP master socket is similar in size to the existing FTTC NTE5c Mk2 master socket, which is very good news.

BT Full Fibre 100 broadband has been ordered and the BT Journey document says that BT Smart Hub 2 is to be included. However, there are BT Smart Hubs with higher numbers.

Is BT Smart Hub 2 the most recent version for BT Full Fibre 100?

Re: BT Full Fibre 100 and Smart Hub 2

licquorice — Thu, 07 Oct 2021 09:15:45 GMT

@crimsom wrote:

However, there are BT Smart Hubs with higher numbers.

No there aren't

Is BT Smart Hub 2 the most recent version for BT Full Fibre 100?

Yes

Re: BT Full Fibre 100 and Smart Hub 2

pippincp — Thu, 07 Oct 2021 09:50:41 GMT

@crimsomwrote:
Openreach has enabled the local FTTP for our street. The Openreach Broadband Engineer was very happy to clarify what is going to be installed in the house. The Openreach FTTP master socket is similar in size to the existing FTTC NTE5c Mk2 master socket, which is very good news. There is no mater socket for FTTP, The ONT is larger than your existing FTTC NTE5c Mk2 master socket.
BT Full Fibre 100 broadband has been ordered and the BT Journey document says that BT Smart Hub 2 is to be included. However, there are BT Smart Hubs with higher numbers.
Is BT Smart Hub 2 the most recent version for BT Full Fibre 100?

Here's something you may get.

Re: BT Full Fibre 100 and Smart Hub 2

crimsom — Thu, 07 Oct 2021 15:58:21 GMT

Hi @pippincp thank you for sharing image of an Openreach Optical Network Termination (ONT). Openreach modem (ONT) explained: Ports and models available - BT Help and A Look at Openreach's New Small FTTP Broadband ONT and Mini OLT - ISPreview UK

Openreach visited today for the Fibre To The distribution point (FTTdp) Install Process 1 Stage of Connectorised Block Terminal (CBT) Full Fibre cable to the house installation. We selected the option of no installation of Customer Service Point (CSP) box, so the fibre-optic cable goes directly to the ONT. (New cable has fibre-optic and wire.)

The ONT will be installed during FTTP install process 2 Stage. Engineer showed me the ONT Huawei 1-port modem (your image). This is does not work during power cuts to the house, so cannot be used to call emergency services. There was discussion about a two year transition period during which time the Openreach fibre-optic + wire combination is used for ONT & NTE5c, so that the phone continues to have a dialling tone.

Different types of BT Hub | BT Help BT Smart Hub, BT Smart Hub 2, BT Home Hub 3, BT Home Hub 4, BT Home Hub 5, BT Smart Hub 6, etc.

Re: BT Full Fibre 100 and Smart Hub 2

licquorice — Thu, 07 Oct 2021 16:10:20 GMT

@crimsom wrote:

Different types of BT Hub | BT Help BT Smart Hub, BT Smart Hub 2, BT Home Hub 3, BT Home Hub 4, BT Home Hub 5, BT Smart Hub 6, etc.

There is no Smart Hub 6, just Hub 6 (AKA Smart Hub) the Smart Hub series supersede the Home Hub series.

Re: BT Full Fibre 100 and Smart Hub 2

pippincp — Fri, 08 Oct 2021 07:54:53 GMT

With FTTP there is no FTTdp process, otherwise you would have copper from the FTTdp. You are getting FTTP and there will be a CSP located on the outside wall. The stage 1 installer is not responsible for the CSP which is why they possibly agreed with you that they wouldn't install one. They don't have or need them.

Good luck getting the stage 2 engineer to finish the job without a CSP. He has to have somewhere to terminate the EZ Bend cable.

Withdrawal of the copper phone service is happening now on an exchange by exchange basis and will cease in 2025 at the latest.

I look forward to hearing of your non-CSP install once the Stage 2 engineer has finished.

Re: BT Full Fibre 100 and Smart Hub 2

crimsom — Fri, 08 Oct 2021 02:07:56 GMT

Hi @pippincp thank you for sharing update. This is my update on what physically, actually occurred.

The visiting Openreach broadband engineer told me (07/10/2021) that my local telegraph pole has been upgraded to become a FTTdp. The overhead new full fibre cable was connected to the FTTdp and my old FTTC cable was removed.

The engineer was happy for me to watch and thereby understand the 1 Stage process. The engineer confirmed that my local telegraph pole is now a FTTdp. The new full fibre cable has fibre-optic cable and wire cable, and the engineer demonstrated this new full fibre cable. The engineer showed me the new cable fibre-optic preinstalled plug termination which they then insert into the FTTdp box. The engineer went up the pole and at its top, checked the fibre-optic signal strength of the FTTdp box and reported that I have full strength 1 Gbps download availability - good news. The fibre optic cable was plugged into the FTTdp box. The engineer then striped and connected the wire cable to the FTTC box.

At my invitation, the Openreach broadband engineer installed the new full fibre cable into the existing brickwork's 10mm hole, at the ground to first floor interface, having removed the old wire cable. Inside the house the wire cable (part of the new cable) was stripped and connected to the existing FTTC NTE5c Mk2 master socket. Dialling tone on my landline phone was confirmed. The fibre-optic cable (part of the new cable) is now in a coil awaiting 2 Stage installation.

The excess new cable is stored in the air gap between ground to first floor, 1 Stage installation of Customer Service Point (CSP) box was not installed by mutual agreement during engineer to Openreach phone call. The Openreach broadband engineer was satisfied that my 1 Stage installation is good, they might be assigned the 2 Stage installation - good news.

I found the Wiki explanation of BT Smart Hub - Wikipedia and Smart Hub 2 (Home Hub 6DX) to be more informative than the earlier post. Evidently, this has more WiFi antennas than its predecessor, and a USB 3.0 rather than USB 2.0 port. It supports Wave 2 802.11ac WiFi, found on review to be 50% faster than non-Wave 2.

I am now waiting for BT Smart Hub 2 to arrive and then completion of 2 Stage installation that is scheduled to occur in about 10 days from now.

Re: BT Full Fibre 100 and Smart Hub 2

licquorice — Fri, 08 Oct 2021 07:47:08 GMT

It is not FTTdp, that is the equivalent of FTTC where instead of the DSLAM is at the DP rather than the cabinet and the broadband is still delivered by copper rather than fibre to the house.

What you have is an optical feed delivered from a CBT (connectorised block terminal) which is the fibre equivalent of a copper DP entirely different to FTTdp.

Re: BT Full Fibre 100 and Smart Hub 2

crimsom — Fri, 08 Oct 2021 13:44:03 GMT

Hi @licquorice thank you for sharing your opinion. As of Monday 4 October 2021, both the visiting Openreach broadband engineer and myself are both of the opinion that the recent telegraph pole upgrade has the new FTTdp fibre-optic cable box in addition to the existing FTTC wire cable box. The Openreach full fibre cable is connected to both cable boxes. We do not accept your false opinion.

Re: BT Full Fibre 100 and Smart Hub 2

licquorice — Fri, 08 Oct 2021 13:55:47 GMT

Accept what you like, it is fact not opinion. The clue is in the name FTTdp (fibre to the dp) which is where the fibre ceases and becomes copper. You are getting FTTP (fibre to the premises) where the fibre extends to your house. It is being fed from a CBT (connectorised block terminal) which both of you are mistakenly calling FTTdp.

Couldn't be bothered to look further for a better diagram, notice copper from FTTdp node to house.

Re: BT Full Fibre 100 and Smart Hub 2

crimsom — Fri, 08 Oct 2021 15:16:07 GMT

Hi @licquorice thank up for sharing. The Openreach Full Fibre installation process continues to evolve.

I have witnessed and interacted with my local telegraph pole upgrade and the 1st Stage installation. On all occasions I have had amicable discussions and these do not align with your perceived understanding of my full fibre installation.

You are not helping. I have fibre-optic cable from the FTTdp box.

Re: BT Full Fibre 100 and Smart Hub 2

licquorice — Fri, 08 Oct 2021 15:24:19 GMT

@crimsom wrote:

You are not helping. I have fibre-optic cable from the FTTdp box.

No you do not.

The Openreach guy may call it that, thinking FTTdp means a fibre DP, it doesn't.

There is no point discussing it as you clearly don't understand the clear distinction between a technology known as fibre to the DP and an Openreach technician calling a CBT FTTdp. They are totally different things.

Terminology needs to be precise

Re: BT Full Fibre 100 and Smart Hub 2

crimsom — Fri, 08 Oct 2021 15:32:24 GMT

Hi @licquorice thank you for sharing.

I have witnessed and can physically see my full fibre installation. You are not helping and have become a nuisance.

Re: BT Full Fibre 100 and Smart Hub 2

licquorice — Fri, 08 Oct 2021 15:36:55 GMT

That is the whole point, nobody is doubting you have a full fibre connection. It is just the terminology you are using that is incorrect, it is not FTTdp it is FTTP.

There are none so blind as those that will not see.

Re: BT Full Fibre 100 and Smart Hub 2

crimsom — Fri, 08 Oct 2021 19:46:49 GMT

Hi @licquorice thank you for sharing. Your earlier diagram does not depict my FTTdp installation of the fibre-optic cable. During 2nd Stage installation, my fibre-optic cable will be connected to the ONT, to give FTTP. Do you get it now, or persist in debating pointless semantics?

Re: BT Full Fibre 100 and Smart Hub 2

licquorice — Fri, 08 Oct 2021 16:16:35 GMT

In message 8 I simply pointed out that you were using incorrect terminology which might lead to misunderstandings. Rather than accept that and move on, you have persisted in digger yourself into deeper and deeper holes trying to defend the indefensible. It is not semantics, it is incorrect terminology which in the context of telecoms is all important. I shall take no further part in this thread.

The diagram clearly shows the distinction between FTTP(H) where the fibre extends to the premises(home) as in your case and FTTdp when the fibre ceases at the DP and the last span is copper. There is no such terminology as FTTcp. Do you get it now?

Re: BT Full Fibre 100 and Smart Hub 2

crimsom — Fri, 08 Oct 2021 21:05:07 GMT

This is a similar image of our local FTTdp telegraph pole that has recently been upgraded to have fibre-optic CBT box. My Openreach 1st Stage installation has full fibre cable connection to fibre-optic and copper wire at top of our local telegraph pole.

Re: BT Full Fibre 100 and Smart Hub 2

licquorice — Fri, 08 Oct 2021 21:32:59 GMT

I have no idea where you obtained that graphic, but it is inaccurate. However, I don't expect you to accept that.

Re: BT Full Fibre 100 and Smart Hub 2

crimsom — Fri, 08 Oct 2021 22:54:44 GMT

Hi @licquorice thank you for sharing. This image is exactly what I see as our upgraded FTTdp telegraph pole. With your fixation on old information, I do not seek or want your acceptance.

My Openreach full fibre 2nd Stage installation is booked to install ONT modem and connection to fibre-optic cable (part of full fibre cable). Openreach showed me their 1-port model without any battery backup, and no power by copper wires from the exchange. There’s usually flexibility on where the ONT modem is installed, so I do not have to locate it next to my existing FTTC telephone master socket that is powered by copper wires from the local cabinet.

During a mains power cut, the ONT modem does not work! After the FTTP interim transition period, I guess that the wired FTTC telephone master socket becomes redundant and cannot connect to the emergency services. It's curious that ISP providers want their customers to have mobile phones.

Re: BT Full Fibre 100 and Smart Hub 2

crimsom — Sat, 09 Oct 2021 07:41:35 GMT

The BT Broadband Availability Checker Featured Product says my line will have Openreach WBC Fibre Broadband. Evidently this is the modern combination of Fibre to the Premises (FTTP) and Fibre to the Cabinet (FTTC). This is the match to our full fibre cable and the advertised WBC Fibre Broadband.