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Neighbours can get FTTP but Openreach fibre checker says my address unavailable

laurajean90 — Wed, 04 May 2022 19:53:30 GMT

Hi all - hoping for some advice please.

I'm due to move into a new property soon, as a tenant, and have contacted my current internet supplier to get the ball rolling in moving my service to the new property.

Unfortunately, my current supplier, Plusnet have said they can't move my current service (unlimited fibre extra) and have said they can only offer very basic internet, with speeds of <10mb.

I've checked all the other property numbers in the street on OpenReach's fibre checker and they all have FTTP available, all except the property I'll move to - I get a 'we're sorry, our fibre products aren't available for you yet message'.

I spoke to BT about this, as I'd prefer to move to BT and was told that records can be missed/incorrect on Openreach's database. I've also spoken to the letting agent, and they've said that the landlord (currently living in the property), has never upgraded the line, as they've never needed to (but have given the ok to have fibre installed if it's possible).

,I'm curious if anyone has been in a similar situation, and if so, if you had success in getting the records updated at all, and how you did this? I'm hoping it's just a case of Openreach's database needing updating and having an engineer come out to get us up and running.

I can't seem to find any way to get through to a human being at Openreach, and BT's only advice was to submit the contact form on thr Openreach website, so any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Re: Neighbours can get FTTP but Openreach fibre checker says my address unavailable

pippincp — Wed, 04 May 2022 20:20:37 GMT

It is possible thae the Landlord currently at the property doesn't have a BT service (possibily SKY) so there is no routing info available.

Try inputting the postcode HERE.

Re: Neighbours can get FTTP but Openreach fibre checker says my address unavailable

laurajean90 — Wed, 04 May 2022 20:44:19 GMT

Hi @pippincp - thanks for your message.

The link you've shared is the one I've used to check the property (as well as all of the other houses in the street) and all property numbers say that ultrafast full fibre is available. All except the house number I'm due to move to - I get the message "we're sorry, our fibre products aren't available for you yet".

According to the letting agent, the landlord currently has basic Internet with John Lewis.

I've seen on another thread somewhere that ordering a new service with BT can prompt the records to update, I wonder if that may be worth a go. Unfortunately the only broadband service I'm offered with BT at the moment though is with a speed of 3-7mb, which I'll struggle with working from home.

As all of the other houses in the street can get FTTP, I'm hoping that means I can too, but i'm not sure how to get that ball rolling. Had hoped to speak to Openreach (or someone at BT who could maybe dig a bit deeper and get us up and running with fibre) but sadly no luck.

Re: Neighbours can get FTTP but Openreach fibre checker says my address unavailable

iniltous — Thu, 05 May 2022 18:36:31 GMT

Post the returns from this wholesale checker for the address that cannot get FTTP and also for the immediate neighbours either side of the property in question ( if it has neighbouring property either side ) also indicate the proximity ( how far apart , same side of road etc )

https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADSL

It’s likely that the property you are moving to and the neighbours property on at least one side would be served from the same CBT , so if ( for example ) a street where even numbers were on one side , and the property in question was No.6 , and FTTP not available, but No.4 and No.8 FTTP was , it would suggest a data error…obviously if No6 couldn’t get it and No5 and No7 could , as they were on the other side of the street , it wouldn’t be that unusual for them to be able to get FTTP and No.6 couldn’t …it’s necessary to know how the property’s relate to each other

Re: Neighbours can get FTTP but Openreach fibre checker says my address unavailable

laurajean90 — Thu, 05 May 2022 19:41:32 GMT

Hi @iniltous - thanks for the reply.

This is the result of wholesale checker for the address I'm due to move to:

And this is the result for the immediate neighbour (it's an end of terrace house) so just the 1 immediate neighbour:

After getting in touch with the letting agent, they've let me know that the property is currently being lived in by the landlord, and apparently they've never chosen to upgrade to fibre, as were happy on the ADSL service they still have.

I'm hoping that as every single other property in the same street has FTTP, that I can get it too - but because the Openreach fibre checker website says it's unavailable in my area, I can't place an order for it... Wondering if it's something that can be updated by Openreach, but I can't find anyway to contact them. A bit stuck!

Edit to say: I've filled in the form on the openreach website a few days ago, but received a reply to say the wrong department had been contacted with no info on the right one or how to reach them. Had hoped to call OR but doesn't look like they have a number.

Re: Neighbours can get FTTP but Openreach fibre checker says my address unavailable

imjolly — Thu, 05 May 2022 19:40:34 GMT

Openreach will not help as you are not an openreach customer. As you are a Plusnet customer I would get them to raise an ORDI with openreach and get your address checked and update services available. Assuming there is an error once corrected you should then be able to place order

Re: Neighbours can get FTTP but Openreach fibre checker says my address unavailable

iniltous — Thu, 05 May 2022 20:03:39 GMT

Its not really a case of the existing occupant being happy with ADSL so no ‘upgrade’ necessary, the area is surveyed and all appropriate property’s are included in the plan, it’s only as people ask to upgrade or want a new service that the FTTP network takes over from the copper pair network , so it doesn’t matter if the occupant says they will never take FTTP , the network is provided to the outside of the property anyway.

Is this property a standard single dwelling ( SDU) as opposed to a MDU ( multiple dwelling unit ) ….for example, if a ( large ) house is converted into several flats/apartments and the existing phone/ broadband arrangements are supplied from a common point inside ( so basically , if served from a telegraph pole , instead of having multiple dropwires from the pole , one to each flat , there is a common multi pair cable that goes to a common utility area and from there , each individual flat has internal wiring , then that MDU could be excluded from the FTTP rollout , as permissions would be needed from the MDU owner ( not just the individual flat occupant ) and the internal cable run through the property potentially over several floors , could prove to be impossible or extremely complicated, so because of this added complexity MDU could be excluded from the initial rollout.

If it’s a standard single dwelling unit ( an ordinary house ) then obviously this isn’t going to be an issue.

Re: Neighbours can get FTTP but Openreach fibre checker says my address unavailable

mbroderick1 — Thu, 06 Jul 2023 07:20:49 GMT

Was this ever rectified.

I am in the same position. Everyone in the cul-de-sac has fttp but I can't order it. It's mental. And openreach can't be spoken too and BT staff are no longer trained in these issues.

Re: Neighbours can get FTTP but Openreach fibre checker says my address unavailable

imjolly — Thu, 06 Jul 2023 07:56:55 GMT

@mbroderick1

are you an existing BT broadband customer. if so try phoning FTTP TEAM 08005874787 and see if the can help you

Re: Neighbours can get FTTP but Openreach fibre checker says my address unavailable

mbroderick1 — Thu, 06 Jul 2023 11:11:04 GMT

No not a current customer. I was fttp until I moved home and BT said they couldn't provide it so they cancelled free of charge now I learn everyone has it except this house.number so there's been a mess up on openreaches system

Re: Neighbours can get FTTP but Openreach fibre checker says my address unavailable

imjolly — Thu, 06 Jul 2023 11:13:09 GMT

is your new home address correct on royal mail database?

Re: Neighbours can get FTTP but Openreach fibre checker says my address unavailable

mbroderick1 — Thu, 06 Jul 2023 12:03:31 GMT

Yes address is correct. 22 years it's been here. 56 has fttp 60 has fttp 58 not available. Which is impossible.

Re: Neighbours can get FTTP but Openreach fibre checker says my address unavailable

imjolly — Thu, 06 Jul 2023 12:09:29 GMT

can you run dslchecker using address for you and neighbour and post results remember to delete address

https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADSL/AddressHome

Re: Neighbours can get FTTP but Openreach fibre checker says my address unavailable

mbroderick1 — Thu, 06 Jul 2023 14:35:08 GMT

Can't seem to add pics theyre too large to add.

Took screens shots

The difference is next doors are WBC fttp served by cabinet 66 up to 1gb DL speed Mine is fttp on demand (slower download speed 330mbps) served by the same cabinet 66.

Fttp not available to my address but available to the others.

Re: Neighbours can get FTTP but Openreach fibre checker says my address unavailable

imjolly — Thu, 06 Jul 2023 14:47:09 GMT

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Re: Neighbours can get FTTP but Openreach fibre checker says my address unavailable

mbroderick1 — Thu, 06 Jul 2023 16:35:47 GMT

Re: Neighbours can get FTTP but Openreach fibre checker says my address unavailable

iniltous — Thu, 06 Jul 2023 16:51:49 GMT

Northern Ireland may be different to the rest of the UK , the survey note for your neighbour is ‘Single Dwelling Unit , Residential’ that’s standard, but I’ve no idea what ‘turnkey civils’ are , but as the ONT exists , whatever needed to be done , has been done so you possibility could ask your neighbour what was done to enable them to get FTTP
If your address is physically between No.56 and No.60 ( you being No.58 ) it’s likely that it’s a data error , that’s stopping you ordering, normally properties that are only 20 odd years old , (terrace, semi or detached ) were almost certainly were provided with a ducted feed , but since the survey note doesn’t say ‘ served by 2.5inch duct ‘ , is there something unusual to have that ‘odd’ turnkey civils note , like maisonettes or similar .
You could try contacting Openreach asking why if your immediate neighbours can get FTTP why can’t you.

Re: Neighbours can get FTTP but Openreach fibre checker says my address unavailable

mbroderick1 — Thu, 06 Jul 2023 17:01:28 GMT

How do I contact openreach when they are not customer facing. I'm in-between 56 and 60.

Not sure how to resolve a database error with openreach when I cant get a hold of someone with the knowledge to fix the database.

I came across this before with fttc and copper but that was much easier remedied.

These are all the same houses side by side.

Re: Neighbours can get FTTP but Openreach fibre checker says my address unavailable

brookheather — Fri, 07 Jul 2023 17:42:51 GMT

You can use this form to contact OpenReach:

https://www.openreach.com/forms/fibre-broadband-availability---customer-form