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Re: moving to a new property

Chrisw3290 — Sun, 23 Mar 2025 16:19:56 GMT

Hello in my area I have full fibre broadband

The property I'm moving to in GL51PP does not have fibre however the streets GL51PQ does have fibre

It seems this road has been missed off. It currently gets up to 80MB broadband but not anything faster

It has a thing called fttp on demand but it looks costly

It says they have no plans to build but the news says all homes should be fibre by 2027

So does that mean this postcode will have it by 2027 or very unlikely

Re: moving to a new property

Anonymous — Sun, 23 Mar 2025 18:30:47 GMT

@Chrisw3290

"It says they have no plans to build but the news says all homes should be fibre by 2027 "

Where have you seen that?

There is absolutely no way the whole country will have Fibre to the Premises by 2027.

Are you confusing FTTP roll out with the closure of the Public Switched Telephone network, which I think has now been pushed back to early 2027?

Re: moving to a new property

Chrisw3290 — Sun, 23 Mar 2025 18:43:49 GMT

https://www.uktech.news/news/full-fibre-broadband-to-reach-almost-all-homes-and-businesses-by-2027-ofcom-says-20250320#:~:text=Full%2Dfibre%20broadband%20is%20set,rollout%20of%20fibre%20optic%20connections.

So will this street have gig fibre upgrade or will it be left behind as it seems all other streets around it have the gig service but not this one

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Re: moving to a new property

Chrisw3290 — Sun, 23 Mar 2025 18:42:07 GMT

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/phones-and-broadband/telecoms-infrastructure/ofcom-propels-full-fibre-rollout-revolution-into-final-phase/

The exchange itself has the fttp set up aswell as the local cabinet it's the road that's been left out which I find strange as you done all the roads around it and missed this part

Ofcome and news say all home should have access to giga fibre by 2027 with 99 coverage so does this mean this spot will get gig fibre or be left behind

Re: moving to a new property

georgelnx — Sun, 23 Mar 2025 18:53:27 GMT

The article is based on forecasts by OFCOM that 96% of all premises should be able to get full fibre by some time in 2027.

So given the current total of 32m premises that means that even if the forecast is correct, 1.3m will not have it by that date.

And again, this is just OFCOM hoping that it happens. It all depends on commercial companies rolling out the product and as the build goes on, the costs increase as you get into the hard to do areas. So that will require public subsidies.

So nobody can say for sure what will happen and as the rollout is mostly commercial, the companies will not give you a hard yes/no as it is up to them what to do and when.

Re: moving to a new property

georgelnx — Sun, 23 Mar 2025 19:01:48 GMT

Also there are 130+ companies who have powers to install telecommunications kit in the country e.g. dig up roads, install poles etc, so even if 1 company (Openreach) has no plans for an area, one of the others may.
But again they will not offer up that information in advance as it is a commercial secret.

Re: moving to a new property

Chrisw3290 — Sun, 23 Mar 2025 20:25:09 GMT

Okay can I ask why roads above and next to the property have fibre but this road was missed out is that on purpose or anything there's 32 houses in that postcode so throught it wouldn't be worth missing that strip as the roads around have them

It's seems a bit lazy or pointless missing out one road and than going back to it

Re: moving to a new property

iniltous — Sun, 23 Mar 2025 21:05:42 GMT

It’s Openreach , not BT , that decide when and where FTTP is rolled out, BT have no more or less influence on that then any other ISP that uses Openreach infrastructure, like Sky , Talk Talk , Vodafone etc.
If a smallish area appears to have been missed out when the majority of the surrounding area has been provided with FTTP, the reason(s) could be these houses are simply on the wrong side of a PON boundary ( passive optical network ) each PON only covers a certain area /number of properties , so there will be neighbouring addresses that are just the wrong side of a boundary, and the PON those addresses will eventually be served by , hasn’t been built yet…or it could be there are specific problems that make a part of a PON area uneconomical to service so these are put on hold ( in the short term ) theses missed out areas will be revisited later in the program when funding is available, OR look to get the biggest bang for their buck , so the expensive to serve addresses can be put on the back burner and the focus is on the less expensive to build areas.

FYI , property built in the 1960’s through to the very early 1990’s often was served by buried armoured cables ( called DIG , direct-in ground ) , the lack of ducting or telegraph poles makes these areas very expensive to reengineer for FTTP , so often are missed out , if there are a mix of different age property’s , some built prior to 1960 , served by poles , they could get FTTP quickly, same as property built after 1990 as they are already ducted…DIG properties generally are left out of the program, or it could even be a number of properties have a blocked duct that may need considerable expense to fix , again they can be excluded on the grounds of being too expensive to service.

Re: moving to a new property

Chrisw3290 — Sun, 23 Mar 2025 21:30:49 GMT

@iniltous

Does it make a difference if the property's on the road are served by over head wires and telegraph poles

Re: moving to a new property

Chrisw3290 — Sun, 23 Mar 2025 21:33:42 GMT

@iniltous

So I looked at the property

The road has a lot of telephone poles and over head wires so does that mean it's more easier and cheaper to upgrade to FTTP. The roads served by FTTP has the same setup poles and overhead cables to the houses

It just seems this bit was missed out so does that improve the chances

Re: moving to a new property

iniltous — Sun, 23 Mar 2025 21:48:28 GMT

Poles are usually pretty inexpensive to provide FTTP with , but there can be exceptions, if some poles are missed out in an area that is served by poles , so some near neighbours that can get FTTP ( via telegraph poles ) but some address around the same age cannot , then it may simply be those addresses are outside the PON boundary , a boundary has to be somewhere, or it could be to get an optical cable/CBT onto that particular pole or a few poles is not straightforward, so Openreach simply defer those addresses until a later date , that’s just a commercial decision, too costly is a perfectly valid reason for excluding some addresses.

If you feel that the addresses are covered it’s just the Openreach records that say they are not covered that’s wrong , fill in this formwize , there is a section along the lines of my neighbours can get FTTP but I can’t , this gets OR to check

https://www.openreach.com/forms/fibre-broadband-availability---customer-form

Re: moving to a new property

Chrisw3290 — Sun, 23 Mar 2025 22:09:55 GMT

@iniltous

Okay is it worth filling in the form.

Thing is moving from London having a one gig broadband down to around 60mb is going to be like going back in time

So hopefully it be upgraded soon.

The open reach website says it will be around 60mb is that based on facts or just them saying you could get up to 60

I will give them a email and see what they say

Re: moving to a new property

chrisjp — Sun, 23 Mar 2025 23:19:58 GMT

Actually, unless you're into intensive gaming or running a business, or have a large family all online at the same time, 60Mbps is a quite adequate broadband speed. It's what I get from my FTTC service and, as well as normal web browsing, email etc, it allows perfectly good TV streaming with no lags or buffering.

Re: moving to a new property

Chrisw3290 — Sun, 23 Mar 2025 23:27:57 GMT

@chrisjp

So would call of duty black ops 3 be stable

I do download games now and than about 110gb used to take about 20 to 25 minutes but don't know how long it be here

Re: moving to a new property

Chrisw3290 — Tue, 25 Mar 2025 18:10:27 GMT

@iniltous

Hello got this reply it seems big standard so I think it highly unlikely this property will ever get FTTP

So if there a chance this postcode will be the 1% that never gets upgraded or will it come eventually.

I don't know if 5g will be the answer it seems to be a area full of people who are scared of 5g and do protests and block it

Also how does fttp on demand work I'm looking at the prices and it seems very baffling

Thank you for your recent enquiry via

the Openreach website about getting faster broadband.

I have had a look in to this for you and we don't have any plans to upgrade your property to receive Ultrafast Fibre Broadband right now, but we can keep you up to date when things change.

I would also like to make you aware that our UK full fibre rollout plans are managed in individual local projects that must be commissioned in a phased manner.

Due to this your neighbouring street/locality might get Fibre to the Premises (FTTP) before yours, if you are seeing the other residents in another part of your town/village or even the street appearing to have fibre available already, this will be why.

Please register your interest in Ultrafast Full Fibre Broadband via our Fibre Checker. We’ll let you know if the plans change and when Ultrafast Full Fibre Broadband is available to order.

If you want to bring fibre to your property sooner is an option you could look into.

Fibre to the Premises (FTTP) on Demand, FTTP on demand is a product which a few select service providers offer, which will give you a full-fibre FTTP broadband, as a bespoke installation direct to your premises. It is available across the UK – even in areas that cannot reliably get FTTC.

Fibre on Demand differs from standard FTTP in a number of important ways. As the fibre is delivered to your premises as a custom build, it is a substantial installation. If you would like to look into this option you’ll need to contact a service provider to place an order.

You can find a list of service providers on this link, just scroll down the page and click on demand

Re: moving to a new property

gg30340 — Tue, 25 Mar 2025 18:32:15 GMT

@Chrisw3290 wrote:

Also how does fttp on demand work I'm looking at the prices and it seems very baffling

For your information. FTTP on Demand is a bespoke product that is mainly sold to businesses. The cost of laying the cables and installation is borne by the person requesting the service and can run into thousands of pounds.

Not every ISP including BT sell the product so you may not have a provider willing to do the work in your area.

See link

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2021/11/openreach-trial-new-fttp-on-demand-pricing-and-coverage.html

Price list for FTTP on Demand.

https://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/products/pricing/loadProductPriceDetails.do?data=0WyIM7tTGGgucFf0dXUIWK4XSAplAmgrRZNg5Pk%2B5%2F%2BkRgB7BL4KNYn%2FlKx2YB4Qe6YShZ82RgLOGLsH2e9%2Bmw%3D%3D