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TNT Sports Ultimate

Colesy7 — Sat, 02 Dec 2023 19:44:12 GMT

Anyone else notice a drastic downgrade in quality from BT Sport Ultimate to TNT Sport Ultimate? Games don’t even look 4K anymore, almost like 1440p. Looks like Atmos is missing again from the Newcastle-Man Utd game. Price is the same but there’s a clear downgrade in quality between the old service and new service. I have a game recorded on my box pro from BT Sport Ultimate and the picture is crystal clear compared to what we’re getting served up on TNT Sports.

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Popeye13_Official — Sat, 02 Dec 2023 20:54:02 GMT

A big factor for me is the HDR aspect of it. They use HDR10, which for live, changing elements such as Sport, is dire. HLG would bring a whole new level of the quality. Was watching the Liverpool match on Thursday on Ultimate (Via D+) and it looked good, but you always notice the difference compared to 4K HLG broadcasts, which look stunning.

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400 — Mon, 04 Dec 2023 09:30:34 GMT

Curious incident the other night, I was watching Apple TV and my 4k show went from excellent quality to fuzzy felt vision. I checked what was running and my computer was backing up. If I paused the backup the quality came back.

Weird thing is the backup was 4mb/s up stream. I am on 150 down and 20 or so up. Not sure why the impact on the upside when it was a few kb/s down.

I ran the automated quality check from the router menu link and told there is an external fix to be done, told it should be completed soon, vol job number issued as well. Checked with apple 4k and BBC UHD on the weekend they are good now. Will look in next rugby. But didn't notice on the weekend (post automated fix but I didn't have my quality control head on and weather was a tad damp).

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everybodyhatesChris — Mon, 04 Dec 2023 12:43:15 GMT

I don't know if anyone can relate to this, but on the Saturday last week (weekend of the aforementioned Newcastle v ManU game) I noticed a juddery effect (both during the promos and during the live feed itself - content was the Bristol v Gloucester Gallagher Premiership match) in terms of the visual feed when watching via 465 on BT TV Box Pro HD and significant reduction in bandwidth which prompted me to call tech support who confirmed speed significantly down on what should reasonably be expected.

Following an engineer's appointment this morning I notice that the 'motion blur' still persists on Ultimate but HD remain unaffected. Download speed back to minimum guaranteed speed.

I did wonder if it was something to do with the MCR at WBD's main playout centre which was the cause.

I have sent a message to @DarrenDev but no reply as yet (early days, but I'm wondering if I have sent it to the correct thread as I addressed it to him directly).

If anyone can relate to this issue or can explain it I would be grateful.

Kind Regards

Chris OReilly

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everybodyhatesChris — Mon, 04 Dec 2023 12:45:27 GMT

I have also noticed several occasions when live content is not being presented in Atmos/7.1 like during Premier League Live games via the Ultimate channel on 465...

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Colesy7 — Mon, 04 Dec 2023 12:47:48 GMT

Yep. It’s happening too often. Idk what they say games are not shown in 4K res anymore. Deffo looks like an upscaled 1440p. Compare it with sky sports uhd (I know it has the HLG hdr which helps) it’s night and day difference in terms of sharpness of image.

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everybodyhatesChris — Mon, 04 Dec 2023 12:52:10 GMT

I don't claim to be an expert on the individual formats but I think the BT Pro HD boxes are supposed to be using HDR BT.2020 format which seems a lot brighter and sharper than Sky's UHD content when viewing matched etc via its own Sky Q box. From what I have read and understand, HDR BT.2020 supposedly maximises the 4K quality it is possible to receive

If anyone can break down the technical aspects of this I'd love to know more about it and am happy to be corrected in my assumptions!

Kind Regards,

Chris OReilly

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Colesy7 — Mon, 04 Dec 2023 12:56:53 GMT

BT use HDR10 which is **bleep** for sport. I have an LG OLED and on sky sports the HDR (HLG format) really adds to the picture quality. With BT I’ve always preferred to watch it without HDR as it doesn’t do much for me.

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everybodyhatesChris — Mon, 04 Dec 2023 13:02:55 GMT

Yes, i don't know why they don't continue to actively promote the Ultimate channel as was the case with the BT Sport 'network' of stations. I can only think they are trying to do a hard-sell on d+, but I don't think that will have any bearing on the channel itself in the future.

In my opinion BTTV having a dedicated 4K UHD channel is something it should play to its strengths; I find the idea of having to switch between HD and UHD on Sky Sports cumbersome at times, as well as being ineffective depending on whether content from its 'flagship' channels is being simulcast.

I just wish there was more UHD content on Ultimate, though I think I know why it's mainly restricted to programmes where the feed originates from the host broadcaster.

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everybodyhatesChris — Mon, 04 Dec 2023 13:12:49 GMT

Yes, I have noticed that my TV registers it as such however for me I think the picture I receive on Ultimate is much clearer and brighter than anything I get when watching football in UHD via my Sky Q box. I recognise the basic versions of the HDR formats and the hybrid one which I think the BBC uses but also understand that, together with HDR10, BT.2020 apparently optimises the 4K colour range aspect. And to me there is a notable difference between watching football via the interactive UHD and viewing on my BTTV Box Pro.

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NigelB72 — Mon, 04 Dec 2023 13:29:26 GMT

Watching TNT Sport Ultimate via Sky Stream with HLG as the HDR codec and the picture quality is outstanding and on a par with Sky Sports UHD with HLG...

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everybodyhatesChris — Mon, 04 Dec 2023 13:33:45 GMT

I think you're right in that the Sky Sports UHD picture is sharper but I think there's more colour when watching via Ultimate. Has anyone compared or noticed any contrasts between picture quality of UHD content on Ultimate Vs d+?

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DarrenDev — Mon, 04 Dec 2023 14:24:07 GMT

I received your message @everybodyhatesChris but it's not my area of expertise. You mention judder, which usually implies a frame rate mismatch between the content and the display. Broadband speed doesn't affect any of the channels (they'll either play, or they won't - there's no adaptive quality), so that definitely isn't related.
Note: if you run a speed test when tuned to a multicast channel, you WILL see a drop in broadband speed as a portion of your line is dedicated to delivering the video.

Content quality is so incredibly subjective, and every device combination can cause different results. I therefore don't get involved in discussions like that anymore.

Regarding HDR10 vs HLG, it was a conscious choice when we created BT Sport Ultimate a long time ago as it provides the greatest device coverage in the UK.

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everybodyhatesChris — Wed, 06 Dec 2023 13:12:14 GMT

Thanks for your reply, and also for your advice in terms of Ultimate. There is definitely still an intermittent frame mismatch on channel 465.

As I recall the HDR10 was introduced first and widely adopted by the industry some time before Hybrid Log Gamma became the format of choice in broadcasting. Not that HLG is necessarily an improvement on HDR10 as they both appear to have their pros and cons, but given that there is no industry standard it's probably unfair to draw comparisons between respective broadcasters and their live coverage of UHD games.

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Popeye13_Official — Fri, 08 Dec 2023 18:30:23 GMT

Oh i couldn't disagree more. HLG leaves HDR10 for dust with its usability and its quality. Watching the 4K HLG stuff on iPlayer such as Wimbledon was stunning, as was the Coronation; the pictures were vibrant and life-like. HDR10 isn't that at all, and is being phased out by its better brother, HDR10+, which is alot closer to what HLG is, which is adaptive, like Dolby Vision, whereas HDR10 isn't, its static and doesn't change with each scenic reference.

As for industry standard, the vast majority use HLG, because of what it brings to the table, something HDR10 never did and never will.

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400 — Sat, 09 Dec 2023 13:16:18 GMT

Getting set up for the rugby and the footy is looking fine on 4K. What I expect.

Back to the rugby then (mutters and grumbles about footy taking up 4k.....)

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Colesy7 — Sat, 09 Dec 2023 13:46:48 GMT

I have the Liverpool game on at the moment. Main camera blurry again lol

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400 — Sat, 09 Dec 2023 14:54:01 GMT

Nail biter with Exeter.

Quick shufty post match over and replays look good.

Camera 1? That will be fed to many 3rd party takers who will complain if it is off. So it very unlikely t be that. And a mass complaint seeing as that used a lot by how many subs?

I have all post processing off on my TV.

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Popeye13_Official — Sat, 09 Dec 2023 23:53:25 GMT

(mutters and grumbles about footy taking up 4k.....)

Agreed. No reason why Discovery+ can't deliver the 4K feed from both the Xtra Time and Rugby, same with clashing UCL matches in mid-week.

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400 — Sun, 10 Dec 2023 09:08:25 GMT

Technically they can get a pipe to your house so you get it no compression (there will be issues).
There will be reasons, I accept them. Budgetary, in network, link budgets and all that then cost and so on. Got the Bath match 4k. So happy bunny. Not losing any sleep over it.