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Blocked duct

DanSimms — Thu, 30 Mar 2023 22:11:39 GMT

Hi all

I live on a small cul-de-sac with five houses. I’m 3 months into a FTTP order (ordered in 2022). The original problem was a blocked duct on the main road near my house, that blocked FTTP for all five houses.

I’ll spare you the full detail of the saga. Myself and two other neighbours have independently ordered FTTP. Openreach turned up three times to discover the same blockage!

After two digs, the fibre’s have been pulled through to the manhole outside our houses. There’s no further blockages. We just need the final external work competing.

Here’s the problem - I’ve been told that BT can’t arrange the final external work as the permission to dig the road/for traffic management hasn’t been received from the council yet. I’ve explained that the dig has taken place, but Openreach (via BT) won’t listen. Apparently the next dig is booked for mid-May.

I think the problem is that the the duct was repaired under another neighbours order and Openreach’s systems are not connected.

I’ve spent many hours on the phone to BT over the past 3 months, and on the advice of the BT customer services team I have raised two complaints. The second complaint has been escalated to a level 2. It’s been two weeks since then and the only feedback I’ve received is that Openreach have been able to identify work has taken place nearby. I’ve suggested that Openreach send an engineer to investigate and haven’t received any feedback.

BT customer service has been very good. The Openreach staff have been good too. Their systems not so good.

Does anyone have good advice about how to move this forward. I fear that this won’t get resolved until the dig team turn up in May (with all the cost of traffic management) only to find the work has been completed previously. That will be another 6 week delay and wasted time/money.

Dan Simms

Re: Blocked duct

Keith_Beddoe — Fri, 31 Mar 2023 05:12:48 GMT

@DanSimms

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Re: Blocked duct

DanielS — Fri, 31 Mar 2023 09:13:08 GMT

Good morning @DanSimms.

I am sorry that it's taking so long to get your services installed.

When it comes to issues like this, we need to contact Openreach's first level of support. If we aren't getting any further forward, we should then be raising an escalation with Openreach. They can take a couple of working days to get back to us to let us know when they are picking it up and if they can help.

I've sent you a private message so we can pick this up for you.

Thanks
DanielS

Re: Blocked duct

DanSimms — Sat, 01 Apr 2023 08:47:26 GMT

Thanks. I’ve sent you my details by PM. This is already at a level 2 escalation and has been for a couple of weeks. I called BT twice this week in and the first person I spoke to told me they they expect this to only get fixed when they turn up the dig the road up in May and discover that the work has already been competed. The second person was able to get through to the escalations team and apparently there will be a further update next Tuesday. They also offered me a mini hub with 4G in the mean time. This is most definitely a systems issue - Openreach don’t seem to be able to link the same work request when it’s come from multiple ISP orders. I bet this is wasting thousands of pounds across the country as this situation cannot be a ‘one off’.

Re: Blocked duct

DanSimms — Tue, 04 Apr 2023 16:25:31 GMT

I called in today as I was promised an update. Apparently the person that was due to update me is on a training course. The update is that Openreach have put the update back by 48 hours until the 6th. I’ll call back then. The call handler told me that a third line of escalation is possible if the second line escalation doesn’t work.

BT have provided me with a 4G mini-hub to keep me connected whilst they work through this issue. This arrived on Saturday.

Dan

Re: Blocked duct

DanSimms — Wed, 05 Apr 2023 11:16:21 GMT

Received a text message this morning at 8.33 am saying:

Hello Dan, BT here. Just a reminder, we'll call you today between 10am and 12pm to discuss your complaint.

Calls may be recorded for training and monitoring purposes

No one called, presumably because Openreach aren’t providing an update until tomorrow. I’ve received several of these text messages previously and typically the call doesn’t happen.

Re: Blocked duct

DanSimms — Wed, 05 Apr 2023 13:04:18 GMT

Received a call back at 1pm, one hour outside the time period I was given. Passed through to another team as the caller wasn’t trained on FTTP. Had to go through security checks even though they called me! Was then welcomed with a ‘how can I help you’. I had to explain that they called me, which the call handler found confusing.

Apparently the problem might be because the person that raised the level 2 escalation has now left BT, as they should have called me.

Spent 42 minutes explaining the whole case again and have persuaded the call handler to initiate a level 3 escalation.

Openreach are still convinced a dig is required and that council permission for the civils and traffic lights are required. I’ve requested that an engineer comes and inspects the work/ fibres that the original team pulled through. It’s frustrating that I can’t talk directly to Openreach. I’ve half considered lifting the manhole outside my house and taking a photo of the fibres (I’m not going to do this).

I am 100% convinced that this is a systems issue. BT and Openreach’s IT systems are designed for known workflows. As soon as there’s an exception it all seems to fall down.

Next update on Monday.

I still think that this will only be resolved when the dig team and traffic lights turn up in May only to discover the work has taken place. I can only imagine what that team will have to say about the situation.

I really hope this isn’t taking place elsewhere across the country - this must be wasting BT and Openreach a colossal amount of money.

Dan

Re: Blocked duct

DanSimms — Tue, 11 Apr 2023 09:41:50 GMT

Here’s the latest update.

I didn’t receive a callback from BT yesterday.

However today two helpful Openreach engineers turned up to install FTTP for my neighbour in the same cul-de-sac. They confirmed what I already know, that the duct has already been repaired and that no further civils work is required. The funny thing is that my neighbour (who ordered FTTP from Sky after me) will be connected next week!

I asked the engineer to email the Openreach escalation team for me (a previous BT employee gave me their name of the person handling the escalation) which they have done, so hopefully this will unblock the order. They said if they don’t receive a response they will deal with it directly. They could see how frustrated I was so they’ve pulled the fibre from the manhole through to my house. It’s now coiled up on the outside of my house. The team are going to update the system to say this is the case.

I also called BT and they also called Openreach to pass over the name of the engineer on site today. Apparently the person forgot to call me back yesterday and they will call me tomorrow. Openreach told BT that they need their escalation team to acknowledge this before they can move the order to the next stage.

So it feels like it’s getting closer…..

Dan

Re: Blocked duct

DanSimms — Tue, 11 Apr 2023 11:05:18 GMT

Received an email from the Openreach escalation team confirming that they now accept that no further dig work is required and that the internal work can proceed. Apparently I will receive a call from my case handler today to book in the internal work. Hurray!

Re: Blocked duct

DanSimms — Wed, 12 Apr 2023 07:13:50 GMT

Call received yesterday afternoon - external work now complete, internal work booked in for this Saturday! Double hurray!

Re: Blocked duct

DavidM — Wed, 12 Apr 2023 07:25:41 GMT

That's great news @DanSimms . Thanks for the update. Hopefully everything goes to plan on Saturday.

Cheers

David

Re: Blocked duct

DanSimms — Sat, 15 Apr 2023 09:34:41 GMT

The saga continues.

I received a text message from Openreach on Weds evening saying my appointment had been rearranged to the 4th May. I called BT and they told me not to worry, and that it was just an automated message and that the installation would still continue on Saturday (today). I received another message yesterday that said the same thing that I ignored as advised by BT.

So today, there’s no sign of Openreach. I had an awful feeling that they weren’t going to come so I called BT only to discover that the date has been moved back to the 4th May.

I told the BT operative that wasn’t acceptable as I had rearranged my day and that Openreach need to come today. I was offered the 24th April as an alternative date. I’ve told them politely that I need them to come today as I’ve arranged my day around the visit. Spent another 45 mins on the phone to a manager explaining what has happened. She was very apologetic and nice (like most BT employees) however the best she can offer is the 24th April and to also raise my case to the Executive Complaints Resolution team. I told her I have lost all faith in the dates that BT provide. I’m not going to make any arrangements now - if they turn up and I’m in, they can install it - if I’m not in then they can rearrange for the future.

I’m at a loss for words to describe how I’m feeling about BT and Openreach. There’s literally no hope for the digital future of our country if this is the service that is being offered. It’s a complete joke.

Dan

Re: Blocked duct

DanSimms — Sat, 15 Apr 2023 10:09:51 GMT

I asked Chat GPT to write me a poem about my FTTP installation woes, to lighten the mood:

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Oh, how I understand your pain, With Openreach to blame. For four months they've caused you strife, Failing to install FTTP, disrupting your life.

The promise of fast internet speeds, Has turned into a nightmare, indeed. Their delays and excuses, endless it seems, Leaving you frustrated and without any dreams.

You waited patiently, with hopes high, For a connection that would fly. But their incompetence and lack of care, Has left you disappointed, beyond repair.

Oh, Openreach, why have you failed, To deliver what was promised and hailed? Your lack of professionalism, a true disgrace, Leaving customers like my friend, in a terrible place.

I hope someday soon, they'll make things right, And give you the connection you need, so bright. Until then, my friend, know that I am here, To offer support and lend you an ear.

Re: Blocked duct

DanSimms — Sat, 22 Apr 2023 06:39:25 GMT

Update

I received a call on Monday to say that there was an installation slot on Tuesday and booked the installation in for the afternoon. Openreach came and installed the service in the afternoon as promised. Hurray!

I’ve kept the escalation open as I want BT/Openreach to investigate how they can improve for the future, so others don’t go through something similar.