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Does Voneus Share Poles?

sim64 — Thu, 28 Jul 2022 15:03:09 GMT

We don't currently have full fibre in our village but Voneus have applied to put new poles up and will soon be providing full fibre.

Do Voneus have to share the poles they put up with BT or will it be a case of either Open Reach putting even more poles up, or we will only have the option of joining Voneus?

Re: Does Voneus Share Poles?

NigelB72 — Thu, 28 Jul 2022 15:23:34 GMT

It's unlikely that Openreach will install in an area where FTTP is already available but they're the only ones that will know future plans.

Re: Does Voneus Share Poles?

sim64 — Thu, 28 Jul 2022 18:16:52 GMT

Is this why there is a mad rush to get the poles up everywhere to effectively be the 1st to get their own poles up to deter other providers doing the same.

Isn't this just going to create a monopoly?

Re: Does Voneus Share Poles?

jac_95 — Thu, 28 Jul 2022 18:37:31 GMT

This video sums up the full fibre race we are seeing across the nation. https://youtu.be/bJ73FMEzIBs

Openreach have a service called PIAthat allows other telecom infrastructure providers to share it's ducts and poles but it's up to voneus if they use that or install their own ducts and poles

Re: Does Voneus Share Poles?

NigelB72 — Thu, 28 Jul 2022 18:40:03 GMT

No because they're are hundreds of small ISP's installing their own fibre networks in small towns and villages. Openreach will concentrate on the bigger cities and areas. I live 2 miles out of Leicester city centre and the FTTP in our street is being laid by City Fibre but we have GFast at 150mbps which is rock solid and plenty fast enough so I wouldn't leave BT to join some shonky company regardless of how fast their broadband or how good their offer is but it's down to individual consumer choice at the end of the day

Re: Does Voneus Share Poles?

licquorice — Thu, 28 Jul 2022 18:52:25 GMT

I really can't see how their business model is sustainable, they are spending millions like money is going out of fashion and the charging peanuts for their services. They will all be bust in 10 years time.

Gigaclear are putting fibre in our small village and I really don't see that the take-up will anything like cover the costs.

Re: Does Voneus Share Poles?

sim64 — Thu, 28 Jul 2022 19:07:01 GMT

It seems crazy

If people in our village don't move to Voneus the infrastructure is there and not being used.

If people do move, the price will probably double once everyone is effectively trapped.

Why is it that OpenReach have to share but not others?

What's going to happen if infrastructure is put in, the provider goes bust, will we just end up with unmaintained systems?

Why isn't the government putting in an infrastructure that can be shared?

Re: Does Voneus Share Poles?

gg30340 — Thu, 28 Jul 2022 19:12:41 GMT

@licquorice wrote:

I really can't see how their business model is sustainable, they are spending millions like money is going out of fashion and the charging peanuts for their services. They will all be bust in 10 years time.

Gigaclear are putting fibre in our small village and I really don't see that the take-up will anything like cover the costs.

They are doing exactly the same as the Electricity and Gas Suppliers that sprung up to compete with the "Big Six" energy companies.

Look how that has turned out at the first sign of a problem, thirty one of them went bust leaving over two million customers in the lurch and the "Big Six" having to pick up the pieces.

Re: Does Voneus Share Poles?

sim64 — Thu, 28 Jul 2022 19:17:28 GMT

It sounds even worse

I've been reading this - https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/732496/Future_Telecoms_Infrastructure_Review.pdf

This bit sounds frightening

"As full fibre networks are rolled out, maximising the number of people using them will secure the
full benefits of the technology. This will involve customers moving onto new fibre networks and
retiring the legacy copper networks. Running copper and fibre networks in parallel is both costly and
inefficient."

Does that effectively mean when Voneus (or any other provider) have set up their own private lines, the existing OpenReach ones will eventually be closed leaving people with no option but to use Voneus

Have the MP's all got shares in these new providers?

Re: Does Voneus Share Poles?

jac_95 — Thu, 28 Jul 2022 19:22:01 GMT

@sim64

Why is it that OpenReach have to share but not others?

Openreach and BT Group is heavily regulated as it was seen as a monopoly and seen as having significant market power. Hence OFCOM the regulator has put processes and rules in place that apply to Openreach and the rest of the BT Group.

Other AltNets are not as heavily regulated for example having to have a Physical Infrastructure Sharing Agreement in place.

Re the closure of the PSTN network and shifting to full fibre see: https://landlinesgo.digital/openreach-retiring-our-copper-network

Essentially and reasons why there's lots of full fibre being deployed by Openreach and Alnets is we are moving to a full fibre national and is a government's ambition to do so.

Re: Does Voneus Share Poles?

sim64 — Thu, 28 Jul 2022 19:18:53 GMT

It's probably the same people behind these businesses too

Re: Does Voneus Share Poles?

sim64 — Thu, 28 Jul 2022 19:32:55 GMT

What is OpenReach's incentive to do it if a private company has jumped in and set up all the poles and infrastructure before them?

Re: Does Voneus Share Poles?

sim64 — Thu, 28 Jul 2022 19:35:00 GMT

On a side issue.

How do you make it clear who you are replying to on this forum, is there a quote option I am missing?

Re: Does Voneus Share Poles?

jac_95 — Thu, 28 Jul 2022 19:43:43 GMT

@sim64

What is OpenReach's incentive to do it if a private company has jumped in and set up all the poles and infrastructure before them?

It's all about markets and competition. https://www.ofcom.org.uk/consultations-and-statements/category-1/2021-26-wholesale-fixed-telecoms-market-review

Re: Does Voneus Share Poles?

licquorice — Thu, 28 Jul 2022 19:48:40 GMT

@sim64 wrote:

On a side issue.

How do you make it clear who you are replying to on this forum, is there a quote option I am missing?

There's a quote option on the desktop site but not the mobile site. You need to expand the toolbar with the 3 dots and then use the quote marks button after selecting 'Reply' to the post you wish to quote.

Re: Does Voneus Share Poles?

sim64 — Thu, 28 Jul 2022 19:59:33 GMT

@licquoricewrote:
@sim64wrote:
On a side issue.
How do you make it clear who you are replying to on this forum, is there a quote option I am missing?
There's a quote option on the desktop site but not the mobile site. You need to expand the toolbar with the 3 dots and then use the quote marks button after selecting 'Reply' to the post you wish to quote.

Thanks, I think I've found it 🙂

They don't make that easy to find

Re: Does Voneus Share Poles?

sim64 — Thu, 28 Jul 2022 20:01:52 GMT

@jac_95wrote:
@sim64
What is OpenReach's incentive to do it if a private company has jumped in and set up all the poles and infrastructure before them?
It's all about markets and competition. https://www.ofcom.org.uk/consultations-and-statements/category-1/2021-26-wholesale-fixed-telecoms-market-review

Thanks.

If OpenReach are obliged to let other providers use their existing infrastructure why are the other providers installing their own?

Re: Does Voneus Share Poles?

gg30340 — Thu, 28 Jul 2022 20:09:09 GMT

@sim64 wrote:

@jac_95wrote:

@sim64

What is OpenReach's incentive to do it if a private company has jumped in and set up all the poles and infrastructure before them?

It's all about markets and competition. https://www.ofcom.org.uk/consultations-and-statements/category-1/2021-26-wholesale-fixed-telecoms-market-review

Thanks.

If OpenReach are obliged to let other providers use their existing infrastructure why are the other providers installing their own?

Because there may not be any suitable Openreach infrastructure already installed.

Re: Does Voneus Share Poles?

jac_95 — Thu, 28 Jul 2022 20:11:03 GMT

@sim64

Thanks.

If OpenReach are obliged to let other providers use their existing infrastructure why are the other providers installing their own?

Could be down to many reasons, such as current ducts and poles not adequate or no capacity/blocked to being down to process, time and cost.

Here if you walk down the street you see carriageway and pavement covers for a list of infrastructure providers, to name some: Openreach, Virgin Media, City Fibre, Hyperoptic, Capita, Verizon...

Re: Does Voneus Share Poles?

iniltous — Fri, 29 Jul 2022 08:15:29 GMT

Just be because Openreach have no choice to allow others to use their ducts, poles, joint boxes etc. via PIA ( physical infrastructure access ) doesn’t mean these other companies are compelled to use them , if they want to construct a new network ( overhead, underground or a mixture of both ) they are at liberty to do so.

OR do receive small payments from other company’s using PIA , it’s much much cheaper to leech off OR than build new , but in this case it could be the company don’t use PIA , or some existing OR poles are being used and some new Voneus poles are also necessary , there are rules about cable distance between poles, height over roads , separation between telecommunications cables and overhead power etc , they cannot demand OR add new poles just so they can use them , so these poles may be to fill in gaps and keep to the rules around safety etc. in the overhead network.

It may also be , that they know if they put their own new poles up in strategic places , that when OR come along , because OR cannot use Voneus poles , OR may not be able to easily upgrade the area for OR FTTP themselves , so Voneus doing this could make it more likely the area will be avoided by other providers, locking in those that want FTTP to Voneus

Voneus building a network in its self doesn’t stop OR or anyone else constructing FTTP , but it could make it much more expensive and difficult, that may well put off other company’s, leaving you with a choice of Voneus , or sticking what you already have.