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Full fibre

Speedway1 — Wed, 29 May 2024 14:08:52 GMT

Will all bt customers eventually be connected by full fibre?

Re: Full fibre

Keith_Beddoe — Wed, 29 May 2024 14:17:29 GMT

@Speedway1

Welcome to this user forum for BT Residential phone and broadband customers.

Its Openreach, not BT, that decides on the future network.

Copper is going to be around for a very long time.

Re: Full fibre

imjolly — Wed, 29 May 2024 14:17:45 GMT

that will depend on openreach providing Fibre connections to the home

Re: Full fibre

Speedway1 — Wed, 29 May 2024 14:42:02 GMT

Thanks Kieth. Virgin have knocked at my door and offered me immediate connection so I am a bit confused. However I am now becoming very tempted.

Re: Full fibre

Anonymous — Wed, 29 May 2024 14:50:16 GMT

@Speedway1

Virgin use their own infrastructure.

Re: Full fibre

iniltous — Wed, 29 May 2024 14:56:50 GMT

What’s confusing ? , there are dozens of networks in competition with each other, Virgin is one of many , some areas will have FTTP available from other networks before Openreach provides its own FTTP , and as BT will only ever use Openreach, unless OR FTTP is available , then BT FTTP won’t be either , if an individuals need or desire is to have FTTP ASAP , then obviously it’s not a confusing choice , if the FTTP network provider that is available doesn’t appeal to you ,( for whatever reason ) then you could wait until Openreach FTTP is available, how long the wait may be is impossible to say

Re: Full fibre

Speedway1 — Wed, 29 May 2024 15:05:46 GMT

What's confusing is that when the Virgin installers were in our area the engineers told me that they "piggyback" of of Open Reach's network.

Re: Full fibre

iniltous — Wed, 29 May 2024 15:27:41 GMT

They are obviously not very bright then , to give them a little credit what they probably mean is that Virgin are allowed to leech onto the Openreach network of ducts and jointboxes using PIA ( physical infrastructure access ) to get their own fibre cables etc into areas they previously didn’t serve …it’s not reciprocal though Openreach cannot use Virgin network assets in areas where VM have ducts and boxes, so it would appear that before Openreach can use their own assets to provide FTTP in your location , Virgin have got in first

Re: Full fibre

Keith_Beddoe — Wed, 29 May 2024 15:31:46 GMT

Looking at the state of some of Virgin`s cabinets, I would not expect Openreach to use them.

However locally, Sky have been using Virgin Media`s network ducts and junction boxes, to install their Sky Glass fibre using Avonline Networks as their contractor. I wonder if they have been given permission to do that?

They dig the fibre cable into the grass.

Re: Full fibre

Speedway1 — Wed, 29 May 2024 15:39:21 GMT

Thanks Kieth, From where I am sitting the whole thing just appears to be a complete and utter mess and I cannot make up my mind which way to jump. I do know for certain though that if I go to Virgin I will be making a substantial saving.

Re: Full fibre

iniltous — Wed, 29 May 2024 15:51:30 GMT

Should some sort of PIA into Virgins network be made available by either decree of the regulator or by VM offering a voluntary version of PIA ( on the same terms Openreach have to offer it ) then the cabinets wouldn’t be used anyway , the ducts , jointboxs and individual Toby boxes outside property may be useful , but in the same way Virgin can’t and don’t use Openreach aggregation nodes , splitter nodes , and CBT’s under PIA but do use physical access infrastructure , OR would just also link into the parts of the VM passive infrastructure, but short of some sort of Government intervention that’s never going to happen.

As far as Sky using VM infrastructure via Avonline , perhaps you can provide a link or some citations as some resent posts on Sky forum suggest that Sky don’t do this

Re: Full fibre

JonUK — Wed, 29 May 2024 15:49:10 GMT

@Speedway1

You might want to ask your neighbours if they are using virgin broadband, as where I live, they oversold connections and peak rate speed drops like a stone.

Re: Full fibre

Speedway1 — Wed, 29 May 2024 15:50:35 GMT

Thanks for that. Your in depth understanding of the situation sort of illustrates what I started off saying. I suppose putting simply what provider would you recommend to the ordinary domestic punter?

Re: Full fibre

Keith_Beddoe — Wed, 29 May 2024 15:53:16 GMT

Its not permitted to discuss other providers on this BT forum.

Try a public forum like https://forums.thinkbroadband.com/

Lots of opinions there.

Re: Full fibre

Speedway1 — Wed, 29 May 2024 15:55:03 GMT

Thanks for all of the input from everyone this afternoon Kieth. Kind regards, John

Re: Full fibre

JonUK — Wed, 29 May 2024 15:57:56 GMT

@Speedway1

Only you will need to decide what's best for you after doing your research.

Re: Full fibre

Keith_Beddoe — Wed, 29 May 2024 16:02:33 GMT

@iniltous

Right outside our house, on the pavement, they have been doing it for weeks now. The joint boxes are labelled as cable TV, and were installed by a company before VM took over the network.

They have coax/copper pair cables, feeding VM customers. Our next door neighbour removed the old VM cables a while back, and Avonline recently ran Fibre there instead.

Its the only infrastructure which is not DIG. (1980s build).

Re: Full fibre

Speedway1 — Thu, 30 May 2024 08:24:28 GMT

Thanks again Kieth,

It is becoming a case of information overload I think. I am far from happy with BT as, besides anything else they are so expensive, but the more that I read and the more info that I gather it just continually illustrates what a huge mess the whole situation is.

The one outstanding thing is that ALL of the providers offer appalling customer service.

There is no doubt that it has become yet another a cowboy/barrow-boy industry industry.

But once again Keith thank for all of you time and input.

Kind regards,

John

Re: Full fibre

iniltous — Thu, 30 May 2024 09:49:48 GMT

I’m finding it difficult to see why you are ‘far from happy’ with BT , Virgin using Openreach PIA have a FTTP service available and have knocked in your door to ask if you are interested, that has nothing to do with BT , if the reason you are ‘far from happy’ is because BT haven’t done the same ( knocked on your door to offer FTTP ) , that’s because BT don’t install networks , Openreach do , and Openreach haven’t yet provided FTTP in your area , if Openreach don’t provide it , BT can’t offer it , so it’s possible you are ‘far from happy’ with Openreach , hopefully you realise BT and Openreach are not the same organisations .

If the ‘situation is a mess’ , what makes you think BT are responsible for that mess ? ,it’s not BT that makes it possible for any communication provider to use Openreach assets if they want , it’s not BT that licences other telecommunications providers to supply products, that’s the regulator Ofcom , so it’s strange you seem miffed at BT .

Re: Full fibre

Speedway1 — Thu, 30 May 2024 10:21:12 GMT

I suppose the answer is that BT never take the trouble to explain all that you have explained. Who is your provider?