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BBC One HD Regionalisation

Matomo — Wed, 22 Mar 2023 08:15:33 GMT

The regionalisation of BBC 1 HD starts today on Freeview. On most devices channel 1 will become BBC 1 HD for your region.

Judging by what’s happened with ITV 1 and BBC 2 the new BBC 1 HD regional version will still be stuck down on channel 101 on BT TV for those watching in aerial mode.

This is ridiculous, what are BT doing to sort this out?

Re: BBC One HD Regionalisation

Hunter2660 — Wed, 22 Mar 2023 13:11:20 GMT

More information here. You can see there won't be any changes to the EPG till later in the year at the earliest:

Update on changes to BBC One HD on Freeview/Youview in England - Media Centre

Re: BBC One HD Regionalisation

Matomo — Wed, 22 Mar 2023 14:06:32 GMT

That article doesn’t actually give a date for when/if the channel swap will happen on YouView. Sounds like it won’t actually.

The article just mentions when the BBC 1 regional versions will launch, but we know that already.

Re: BBC One HD Regionalisation

Les-Gibson — Wed, 22 Mar 2023 14:28:14 GMT

You must have missed the table part way down which also applies to YouView; i.e. (part)

Region

BBC One local news programme at 6.30pm

Launch date

East Midlands

West Midlands

East Yorks & Lincs

London

Channel Islands

Yorkshire

East Midlands Today

Midlands Today

Look North (East Yorkshire and Lincolnshire)

BBC London

BBC Channel Islands News

Look North (Yorkshire)

Edit: The date didn't copy for some reason but it's there and for the above portion of the table is 22-03-23

Re: BBC One HD Regionalisation

Matomo — Wed, 22 Mar 2023 14:36:30 GMT

Maybe I’m being really thick here, apologies if I am, but that table only shows when regional BBC 1 HD launches. It doesn’t say when/if it will swap to channel 1 on YouView!

Re: BBC One HD Regionalisation

Les-Gibson — Wed, 22 Mar 2023 14:44:40 GMT

Paragraph 2 mentions both Freeview and Youview, Paragraph 3 reads "This means viewers will be able to get a complete version of BBC One HD in 101 in the EPG (Electronic Programme Guide), including regional news output and other local programming. We will be retiring the red slate that previously advised viewers to go to channel 1 for local programming, as viewers will no longer need to switch to channel 1 for local news and then back to 101 for BBC One in HD."

Re: BBC One HD Regionalisation

Matomo — Wed, 22 Mar 2023 14:49:07 GMT

Les that doesn’t mean what you think it means. It’s just saying you won’t need to switch between channels. So you can just stay on 101 the whole time.

Re: BBC One HD Regionalisation

TimCurtis — Wed, 22 Mar 2023 15:21:12 GMT

I retuned my 5 devices today as I'm in the London region. Now got BBC 1 HD London showing up on ch101.

On one of my Panasonic TVs it gave me the option to install a piece of software that would move BBC 101 up to the top of the guide but that just then showed 1 as BBC London and dropped 101 from the guide and it wasn't clear that ch1 was now in HD so went back to the original settings.

Re: BBC One HD Regionalisation

Hunter2660 — Wed, 22 Mar 2023 15:26:03 GMT

Take another close look:

"Once we’ve completed the launch on Freeview and YouView, later in the year we plan to roll-out an update to newer Freeview Play devices that are connected to the internet. This will put BBC One HD at the top of the EPG, at channel 1, on supported TVs when they’re connected to the internet – and we’ll be making similar changes to make the existing HD versions of our other channels available at the most prominent EPG numbers."

It will happen, but not for a while. Remember ITV 1 have yet to announce when their correct local regions will launch.

Re: BBC One HD Regionalisation

Matomo — Wed, 22 Mar 2023 15:28:16 GMT

I actually don’t think it will happen. Again, the article linked makes no mention of it. I’ve had ITV 1 Granada on 103 for years, it never moved to channel 3. I think BBC 1 will be the same on YouView.

The paragraph you’ve quoted is about Freeview Play devices.

Re: BBC One HD Regionalisation

DarrenDev — Wed, 22 Mar 2023 17:31:05 GMT

What's your concern here @Matomo? Just that BBC One HD will remain at position 101 (for non IP users), instead of moving to 1?

Re: BBC One HD Regionalisation

Matomo — Wed, 22 Mar 2023 17:34:10 GMT

Yes! Thanks Darren, that’s exactly it.

As I’ve mentioned that’s what’s happened with my regional version of ITV 1.

Re: BBC One HD Regionalisation

DarrenDev — Wed, 22 Mar 2023 17:42:04 GMT

BBC One HD has been in position 101 since launch over 12 years ago, alongside the other PSB HD channels, and in the 100+ range alongside all other HD channels. I don't see why regionalisation should/would change that?
I see that Freeview Play devices will have an option to move it to position 1, but I don't expect YouView to offer the option.
I personally think it's illogical and confusing thing to do - SD is 1-5 and HD is 101-105.

For IP mode, ALL the PSB channels are moved to 1-5 as they're only available in HD.

And what about people who don't want the HD channel at position 1?

Re: BBC One HD Regionalisation

Matomo — Wed, 22 Mar 2023 18:05:22 GMT

Every other platform has done exactly that though. BBC 1 HD (the England national version) has been on channel 101 since launch, yes. But the regional version is a whole different kettle of fish, being a simulcast of the SD version.

Sky, Freesat (with the exception of Channel 4 HD due to temporary subtitle issues), and Freeview Play all swap the SD and HD channels so the HD ones appear first on 1-5. It’s not the least bit confusing, it’s what people expect.

I’m not sure why someone wouldn’t want their regional HD channels on channels 1-5 to be honest, and as I say every other platform does exactly that.

Re: BBC One HD Regionalisation

DarrenDev — Wed, 22 Mar 2023 18:09:58 GMT

I don't have Sky, but I thought BBC One was in position 101, alongside the other PSB channels (and without any SD option).
When ALL the channels have moved, I agree it would make sense - which is why other platforms (that control the video distribution) can do it, but to have channels 1-5 being a mixture of SD and HD, and having gaps in the 101-105 range, would just be odd.

All just my opinion, obviously.

Re: BBC One HD Regionalisation

Matomo — Wed, 22 Mar 2023 18:20:09 GMT

101 is the first channel on Sky, rather than 1.

The HD versions of the regional channels on Sky are on 101-105, BBC One HD (North West for me) moved to 101 last month when it launched on satellite. So they’re the first 5 channels you see.

Sky swaps HD simulcasts in every case so they always appear before their SD equivalent.

As for your last point, the 5 PSB channels will now all have switched to HD on Freeview/YouView! You wouldn’t have gaps in 101-105, they would be the SD versions. You literally just swap the channels like Sky does.

Re: BBC One HD Regionalisation

zulu17 — Wed, 22 Mar 2023 18:47:25 GMT

Well the Youview published position appears to be thus

1.4 YouView does not have any responsibility for allocating LCNs for channels broadcast using DTT. Digital UK Limited (“Digital UK”)2 remains responsible for allocating LCNs to these channels and YouView will reproduce, in the “Guide” section of the YouView UI, the LCNs as they appear on the DTT platform.

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Chestnutree — Wed, 29 Mar 2023 12:02:22 GMT

Has anyone else noticed a drop in quality on 101 (BBC 1 HD)?

I thought this change was to put national and regional BBC 1 programmes all on 101 in HD. Since i did the retune, there's a notable drop in the quality when watching the news and then even more so when it switches to the regional news. I was expecting to see my regional BBC news in HD for the first time but instead it appears regional still shows in SD (but on a new channel) and what was previously HD has reduced in quality.

Am I the only one? I couldn't find any other posts when searching.

Feel like i'll be watching more live TV streamed via the BBC iPlayer app at this rate 😞

Re: BBC One HD Regionalisation

brookheather — Wed, 29 Mar 2023 12:07:04 GMT

Most regional news is still broadcast in upscaled SD as the equipment hasn't been upgraded yet - which region are you?

https://rxtvinfo.com/2023/when-bbc-one-hd-isnt-hd/

Re: BBC One HD Regionalisation

Chestnutree — Wed, 29 Mar 2023 16:46:18 GMT

Ah i see.

I'm south Warwickshire which comes under the West Midlands broadcast region so this makes sense.

Is it just me that's also noticed the national news which has been in HD for a long while now reduce in quality? It's certainly not as bad as the regional SD upscale, but it's not as sharp as it was before the retune.