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changing source from hdmi to tv.

Lizzie — Sun, 31 Dec 2023 19:51:18 GMT

With my old 2012 Youview box I could press the source button on the tv remote and swap back from HDMI to tv. With my newer Youview box if I select tv from the source button there are no channels and none will load. I wonder if there is a reason for this.

Re: changing source from hdmi to tv.

Midnight_Voice — Sun, 31 Dec 2023 22:24:28 GMT

@Lizzie

Are you running the new box with a terrestrial aerial, or in IP mode?

Is there an aerial plugged into the TV, either direct from the wall socket, or via Loopthrough on the YouView box and a second aerial cable from box to TV?

Re: changing source from hdmi to tv.

Lizzie — Mon, 01 Jan 2024 17:22:28 GMT

I believe it's a terrestrial aerial, plugged from the wall in to the Youview box with no second aerial.

Re: changing source from hdmi to tv.

Midnight_Voice — Mon, 01 Jan 2024 19:32:42 GMT

@Lizzie

Then your TV, with no aerial input, is getting no broadcast channels, and so naturally can’t show you anything, except when you select the input with the HDMI cable from the YouView box, or perhaps any other HDMI input with a device attached, such as a DVD/BluRay Player.

Get a male to female (or male to male with an included female adaptor, which is how Curry’s sell them) and connect it from the Aerial Out on the YouView box to the Aerial In on the TV. Then, you can tune the TV channels on the TV.

This arrangement needs the YouView box to be on or in Standby; and you need to set Aerial Loopthrough in Settings to On, so the YouView box always passes the TV signal, even in Deep Standby.

Re: changing source from hdmi to tv.

Lizzie — Wed, 03 Jan 2024 22:53:54 GMT

Thank you. I will have a go.

Re: changing source from hdmi to tv.

Lizzie — Wed, 03 Jan 2024 23:01:50 GMT

I can't find aerial loopthrough in Settings unfortunately. I will look for a cable.

Re: changing source from hdmi to tv.

Midnight_Voice — Thu, 04 Jan 2024 11:07:44 GMT

@Lizzie

They seem to have changed this - it’s now Antenna Out in Picture & Sound, and this should be set to On.

Probably a change for the better not to need a separate setting now.

Re: changing source from hdmi to tv.

Lizzie — Fri, 05 Jan 2024 16:34:19 GMT

Hi, not making much progress yet. Is this a flat ended cable or a round end.

The TV is over 12 years old, might this make a difference? I am way out of my depth🙄.

Re: changing source from hdmi to tv.

Midnight_Voice — Fri, 05 Jan 2024 17:55:57 GMT

@Lizzie

It’s one of these:-

rhinocables Aerial Coaxial Cable with Gold-Plated Connectors, Male to Male RF Coax Lead with Female Adapter Coupler

Choose the length you need, to go from the Aerial (Antenna) Out socket on the YouView box (next to the Aerial In where the aerial cable from the wall socket goes into the YouView box), to the aerial input on the TV.

You will need to use the supplied female coupler to make the cable fit the YouView end.

Basically, it just extends the aerial cable going into the YouView box so it goes onward to the TV as well.

Some people call it a coaxial cable, though I prefer to say aerial cable.

You must have had some similar arrangement previously on your old setup, to get an aerial cable to the TV; though that might have been via a little triangular splitter, which is not such a good way of doing it.

Re: changing source from hdmi to tv.

gomezz — Fri, 05 Jan 2024 21:17:00 GMT

That can be the better way of doing it if you are in the habit of putting the Youview box into deep sleep mode while wanting to watch the TV directly as aerial pass through does not work when in deep sleep mode.

Re: changing source from hdmi to tv.

Midnight_Voice — Fri, 05 Jan 2024 21:55:06 GMT

@gomezz

As long as you have signal strength enough to allow for it slightly more than halving to each device.

Re: changing source from hdmi to tv.

gomezz — Sat, 06 Jan 2024 11:02:26 GMT

You can used a powered booster/splitter which basically does the same as what happens inside the Youview box.

Re: changing source from hdmi to tv.

Midnight_Voice — Sat, 06 Jan 2024 14:38:27 GMT

@gomezz

And there I rest my case 😛

Re: changing source from hdmi to tv.

Lizzie — Sat, 06 Jan 2024 14:49:31 GMT

Thanks guys. Now that I'm getting more confused I'm wondering even if I succeeded, would my 2 problems be solved.

1.) When watching Talking Pictures TV the red button does not bring up any extra functionality.

2.) When I watch or record very old programmes the picture is very squashed, more than just the wrong aspect ratio.

Re: changing source from hdmi to tv.

Midnight_Voice — Sat, 06 Jan 2024 15:57:13 GMT

@Lizzie

1.) What is the red button supposed to do, and does it do it on other channels? I can’t get any of the coloured buttons to do anything on any channel on my YouView box. But I don’t have EE TV, so maybe this is an EE TV thing?

2.) Squashed horizontally you mean? Are you watching on an old 4:3 TV with no 16:9 option?

If old 4:3 programmes are shown on BBC4, then the BBC will transmit them in 16:9, as a 12:9 (=4:3) picture with a 2:9 black bar either side. Other channels may do the same.

A 4:3 (=12:9) TV has to render that across 12:9, so you get a 1.5:9 black bar, a 9:9 picture, and another 1.5:9 black bar.

YouView boxes will do the same with 4:3 pictures, rendering them into 16:9 with black bars either side. And, contrary to DTG recommendations, throw away the information that the picture was ever 4:3 (although the then CEO of YouView sat on the board of the DTG!) so that no TV could rescue it.

Some TVs let you render the 12:9 part across 16:9 though, chopping off the black bars; this was rather derisorily called Stretchyvision, and made people look like the man on the back of the Megabus, and wheels look like ovals.

What fun we had explaining all this in the early days, to YouView users who were holdouts with 4:3 TVs!

Can’t be the case here, though surely? What TV have you got, and what aspect ratio setting are you using?

Can you post a screenshot of an example? (Camera icon above will let you do that, with a digital snapshot you have taken).

Re: changing source from hdmi to tv.

Lizzie — Sat, 06 Jan 2024 21:35:23 GMT

Hello again,

1.) The TV is a Techwood, I think they were made for supermarkets, so not posh. I bought it off the next door neighbour. I think that's why I can't get the red button extra content on tptv. The BBC red button works fine.

2.) I have just discovered that the Screen button on the TV remote still works even though the channel numbers don't when watching through the Youview box. As all the words had rubbed off the buttons with age I didn't like to press willy-nilly, but I found the booklet and identified it. I'm going to record an ancient programme and see if it works on a recording.

Thanks!!

Re: changing source from hdmi to tv.

Midnight_Voice — Sat, 06 Jan 2024 21:56:52 GMT

@Lizzie

I’ve never heard of Techwood, but AO sell them. You certainly get a lot of bang for your buck with them.

What’s the picture quality like?😛

Re: changing source from hdmi to tv.

Lizzie — Fri, 02 Feb 2024 20:32:14 GMT

Hi,

the picture quality is great.

I have just changed to the TV box Pro, and still have the same source problem.

I didn't pursue the new aerial, knowing that my contract had ended and I needed a new Hub, which I now have.

I have been promised a visit on Sunday from some sort of Home Helper, as the phone that they sent for the digital voice changeover stopped working after one day, so maybe he or she can help.

I downgraded my tv package, losing the Sky channels, but I have lost a lot of Freeview ones as well, so I could really do with being able to get back in to the tv.

Re: changing source from hdmi to tv.

Lizzie — Sun, 04 Feb 2024 13:10:44 GMT

Update:

The new TV box Pro has now enabled me to get in to the tv channels via TV on the Source button.

After the digital voice phone stopped working one day after installation, the Home Help tech visit set up the TV again.

Re: changing source from hdmi to tv.

DavidM — Sun, 04 Feb 2024 13:30:58 GMT

Hi @Lizzie ,

Thanks for letting us know you've got everything sorted.

Cheers

David