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MBR123
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Message 11 of 25

Re: Moving from one ISP with Fibre to another

I know it may say Unlimited, Bulitt, and so does every other ISP provider but as far as P2P goes its not, so Unlimited may mean Unlimted downloading on normal webpages, by direct links and no restrictions, agreed are Unlimited!. but peer 2 peer transfer is far from Unlimited in any other ISP's view, they all have different Terms and Conditons regarding P2P and trust me Terms and Conditions dont mean nothing nowadays, a set of Terms and Conditions can be changed at anytime to suit the provider when they feel something is not write or in P2P case is being abused, if you see were I'm coming from, regarding this matter. Trust!, stay with BT not Sky or anyone else. I have met many a people in your position with Sky and other providers for P2P and have heard nothing but bad comments and many go back to BT after a while and regret there actions. But of course if that is what you really want to do, with this just being a good tip warning for you, then go ahead its your choice in the end!. 😉

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Bullitt
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Message 12 of 25

Re: Moving from one ISP with Fibre to another

as you can see from the network management policy i linked to it is totally unlimited
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MBR123
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Message 13 of 25

Re: Moving from one ISP with Fibre to another

I dont see anywhere on Sky's Terms saying we provide Unlimited peer 2 peer downloading with no restrictions. Please show me other wise.

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Bullitt
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Message 14 of 25

Re: Moving from one ISP with Fibre to another

its all in the network management policy i linked to

 

Section 2: Traffic management to optimise network utilisation
(what happens during busy times and places in addition to traffic management as described in section 1)

 

Is traffic management used during peak hours? No

When are typical peak hours? N/A

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MBR123
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Message 15 of 25

Re: Moving from one ISP with Fibre to another

I see were you are coming from Builtt, but it is very misleading by saying this at the bottem:-

 

**** In addition to the above practices, Sky also modifies some traffic to optimise the end-user experience.  The rationale for doing so is to make best use of network capacity to support real-time applications and make efficient use of data allowances.

 

That basically means it gives them permission to restrict your downloading speeds regarding Traffic Management at any time, i.e. P2P traffic, when they feel is needed, which in Sky's case is probably most of the time!. Its a very touchy subject and is probably argued down the phone to many ISP's, including BT, but I think in BT's case they lay it down in black and white and give you the facts, so you know its not just sugar coated it off with some technical jargon!.

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Bullitt
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Message 16 of 25

Re: Moving from one ISP with Fibre to another

no it just make you aware that they have to manage their network as unmanaged networks descend into chaos
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Wizen
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Message 17 of 25

Re: Moving from one ISP with Fibre to another


@reece71079 wrote:

Thanks,

 

For a start mate do not go to Sky or even think of Virgin or even worse Be, Talk Talk, orange etc.. they all restrict P2P much more than BT Infinity does, it's a fact every ISP restricts P2P, some totally, some different ways than others, some use shaping of speeds, for example you may connect with Sky at 20000Kbps downstream, say a transfer rate of 2.0MB/s, you start downloading then your speeds end up going write down to about 2 - 3000Kbps downstream, transfer rate of 200KB/s or even worse sometimes to a rate of 1.5KB/s, without you even realising its changed. check out there forum pages you will see. If you think moving to another ISP for better speeds on P2P think again. Someone else will probably confirm the same as me. BT does ristrict but only from 4.00p.m. to 12.00a.m., weekdays, weekends totally free all uk times, these times you should be good to go, remember BT own the network they can do pratrically whatever they want within reason, so if you cannot do it with BT forget about other providers!. Please do not switch providers bcause of P2P transfer rates, you will be alot worse off. Trust!. Just a quick question to you, how much are the rates going up by, I do not know myself? I am on Option 2, Unlimited as well but do not know what the rise is?. I hope not too much.

 

Just a point when do you feel you are being restricted with P2P, what times and when?.


I was with Be Unlimited for over 6 years, and they never throttled p2p or used traffic management. It was unlimited 24/7. It was their main selling point, and I'm certain it hasn't changed. I'm all for encouraging people to stay with Infinity, but there's no point lying about other ISPs in the process.

 

If you're seriously considering moving ISP because you're a heavy torrent user, you should consider either an unlimited ADSL2+ provider (like bethere), or you should look at more expensive FTTC products. I know Eclipse internet used to offer two tier products, and the more expensive option boasted "prioritized traffic" during peak times, but I think that was aimed at businesses. IDNET also offer a service called "Traffic Priority" for an extra £10/month, with any FTTC package, and the description states "Business Premium traffic is given priority at the exchange over standard ADSL traffic which means lower contention and higher throughput speed especially during peak times".

 


I can't really comment on Sky as a FTTC provider. I know for a fact that their ADSL2 product wasn't great (I had friends that were locked in to contracts and had terrible routing/pings during peak times). It made many online services such as Xbox Live and iPlayer completely unusable. I think it would be worth browsing some broadband forums and asking around for customer opinions. If Sky has somehow managed to buck the trend and offer a truly unlimited fibre product at the prices they're touting (without some sort of catch), I'll be amazed.

 

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McGrath1982
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Message 18 of 25

Re: Moving from one ISP with Fibre to another

I've already asked the question when I ordered Sky Fibre Pro over the phone about throttling P2P and I was told I could download what I wanted all the time.
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Bullitt
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Message 19 of 25

Re: Moving from one ISP with Fibre to another

as it says in the policy
Our Unlimited Broadband product is not subject to any traffic management, this means that we won't slow you down at any time regardless of how much you upload or download.
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MBR123
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Message 20 of 25

Re: Moving from one ISP with Fibre to another

Check this out then you will understand what I mean:-

 

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2012/03/eu-telecoms-regulators-find-isp-blocking-of-p2p-and-voi...

 

Like I said at least with BT Infinity you know were you stand as far as P2P is concerned, its there in black and white wether your a hard downloader or a light downloader, there are your restrictions and that is it, not when the provder feels like it. 😉

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