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Private Cabinets ??

I currently have a ~ 5Mb/s ADSL connection, my local exchange is Fibre Enabled but my connection has a circa 2km cable run to the Cabinet hence Openreach are not fibre enabling the cab.  Glide Internet (recently took over WarwickNet) has contacted the Estate Manager offering a 30/1 or 40/10 FTTC connection at a 1:20 contention.

They tell me that they are proposing to put their own fibre Enabled cabinet in locally and provide Broadband/PSTN services from that (still using my BT line).

I have two questions that you may be able to help me with 1)  I thought Openrteach owned all the infrastructure so can they put their own cabinet in or are they paying Openreach to do the work thus making it a public cabinet 2) I expect the we are served from an SCP given the distance from the PCP and I thought that you could only fibre enable PCP's.

Thanks for your help.

Peter 

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Re: Private Cabinets ??

Your line is owned by Openreach, not BT Retail, so there is nothing to stop a private company renting a pair of wires from Openreach, just like Sky and others do.

Its called Local Line Unbundling (LLU).

 

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Re: Private Cabinets ??

There is an Openreach  product called sub loop unbundling , the likes of Sky and Talk Talk unbundle the full 'line', that is the E side cable from the exchange to the PCP ( copper pair cabinet) and the D side cable , from the PCP to your home and place their equipment in the exchange....sub loop is the D side only, so if an operator wanted to build their own cabinet close to the Openreach PCP and just pick up the D side cable to your home , ( sub loop ) they pay less as they are only renting the D side cable, and from their street cabinet back over towards wherever their 'network' is located , is entirely their own concern...there were a few sub loop unbundlers a few years ago ( before OR FTTC took off in a big way ) but most went bust, in effect they were 'fibre to the cab'  before OR went FTTC  in any large way, and couldn't compete once brands like BT, Sky TT offered the same FTTC speeds/service for less ££.

It occurs to me though , if it's your D side cable length is 2Km, then it wouldn't matter if it's an OR 'fibre' cabinet or another company's fibre cabinet , you would still be 2Km away from it and get the speed that a 2Km D side can handle....this new company won't have some new wonderful exclusive technology , so are you saying that OR haven't provided a FTTC cab at all next to the copper PCP for anyone at all ( even those that are not as far away from it as you , you may not be able to order FTTC because the distance means ADSL2 is better in your case  not that there isn't a OR FTTC cab) .....if that's the case presumably OR decided it was uneconomic to provide FTTC at that copper PCP, so this other company must think they can make it economically viable, even though they won't have the scale of economy that OR have ( for example OR approach equipment manufacturer and say 'we want 100 thousand FTTC cabs how much ?' compared to a small provider saying 'we want 1 or 2 FTTC cabs , how much ?', 

AFAIK, there isn't a sub, sub loop product where they can intercept the D side , closer to your home than the current PCP, so chances are that the cabinet they will provide will be within 100m of the existing PCP, just the same as if OR decided to provide one.

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Re: Private Cabinets ??

iniltous

Thanks for your interesting response.  OR have not fibre enabled Cab 3 for anyone maybe because the low population density means that it is a long run for most properties.  Glide are saying that they will run new fibre from the exchange  to a new cabinet which they will install at the entry to the estate ( this will enable approx 30 properties plus pass perhaps another 5 to 10).

Like you I cannot see the economics of this for a small number of properties although they are a rebranded WarwickNet who specialised in infill solutions.  I have now discovered that Fastershire are in the process of enabling Paxford which seems to involve running a fibre straight down the main road from the exchange, not enabling any properites passed until they get to Paxford.  

Maybe Glide are going to tee off the main fibre and run 400 metres of fibre to the existing SCP and convert that to a PCP thus FTTC enabling us.  It's only a 30/1 or 40/10 service so I guess they must have some copper in there somewhre or they could offer the full Superfast service.

 According to the OR website there are currently no plans for my cab so this seems to be a private offer.

Thanks

Peter

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There  may be a product available that allows this company to intercept the OR D sides closer to you but the speeds on offer don't seem very impressive if that's the case , and I'm not aware of any product OR are obliged to offer that splits the sub loop even further , for example , if a full loop is approx £80 a year , a sub loop may be £50 ?, what price point does a sub , sub loop come in at, the admin costs may well outweigh the income ?, and obviously if they intercept OR D sides they will have to pay for the access arrangements to get at the D side , obviously easier to do at a copper PCP than anywhere else in the network, and wherever this intercept point is needs to be accessible should customers want to leave this new company and return to a company that uses a full OR loop, so it cannot be a joint in the ground

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Re: Private Cabinets ??

I’ve heard of Warwick.net or whatever it was.

There was something similar in Yorkshire a few years back where a Company had installed DSLAMS by Openreach’s PCP’s. They went bust though as I remember a friend of mine had a job going round and converting all the lines back from VDSL to ADSL.
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Re: Private Cabinets ??

Thankd everybody for your answers.  I have now worked out the economics of the deal, Fastershire have let a contract to Glide Internet to install FTTC at the Northwick Business Park and as we are next door to the business park Glide are offering FTTC to the homes there piggybacking on the business park infrastructure at little additional cost to them.  Hence the 30 homes get FTTC and they get some additional revenue at little cost.

Technically I'm less clear, they say that they will run new fibre from the exchange to the business park where they will install a new cabinet and intercept the existing PSTN lines which are currently on a different cabinet.  The D side connection will thus be short enough to get fast broadband.  I expect there is an existing SCP which they will convert to a PCP and then somehow intercept the residential PSTN lines which I thought had there own SCP but I guess they will not be putting in two cabinets.

I'm puzzled as to why the top speed is 40/10 as there should not be D-side distance limitations.  It looks suspiciously like the OR sub loop unbundling product spec.  Anyway I'm happy as when it is done my speed will go from 5Mb/s to 40 Mb/s although slightly worried that since they own the infrastrucure there will be no competition for service provision so I will be locked in.

Thanks again

Peter

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