According to the documentation I've seen, the (new?) BT Home Phone Standard provides an existing customer with an update that provides SIP-type telephony features to existing analogue phone(s) and delivers this over the existing copper access without broadband. This is apparently achieved without a customer visit or any equipment delivery. If this is actually true, how is it achieved?
This looks like the type of inane AI generated answer to a vague or poorly posed question…DV is BT’s standard phone (telephony ) product , replacing the PSTN ( publicly switched telephone network) service , there is a way for DV to be delivered without using a BT SH2 broadband router at the customer’s address…in effect the ‘equipment’ to interface with DV sited at the exchange, not the customer address ,
https://www.bt.com/bt-plc/assets/documents/special-services/pdpl-wholesale-product-handbook.pdf
Basicaly at the customer end nothing changes , no extra equipment is needed, apart from the need to use the national number even for local call , they are in effect connected to ‘DV’ not the legacy PSTN network, this is only a transition product not intended to be used long term , and it’s only for customers that currently have only telephone service (no broadband) on a copper pair
Many than thanks for your reply to my query. It pretty much had to be implemented as you described. As a long-long-ago exchange guy, I would be intrigued to know what the converter gubbins actually is. Presumably can't be too costly as with all-DV around the corner it should have a shortish life.
I think you are missing the point. It is DV, just that the 'router' and ATA are at the exchange rather than at the customer's house.
To dumb it down to a basic level , consider how a ‘regular’ broadband DV customer connects to the service , they plug a standard phone into the telephone port of the BT router , fundamentally that’s an ATA (analogue telephone adapter) , a 2wire 50v presentation to a domestic telephone instrument , the hub generates things such as local dialtone , ringing current etc , obviously the SH2 only needs to provide sufficient electrical current etc for pretty short length home wiring and phone cord .
This transitional product is in essence the exchange equipment provided is also an ATA , but needs to be sufficiently more ‘powerful’ to run considerably longer copper pair lines from the exchange to the customer address ….the exchange kit is not simply a a rack of SH2 routers with their ATA’s connected to the ‘telephone only’ customers local loop terminating at the customer wall socket , but for simplicity it can be considered like just like this , the exchange equipment is using BT’s 21CN ( think of this as the broadband access ) with an associated ATA equipment connected to the customer’s cable pair at the exchange , so instead of the phone cord being a few meters in length , it now effectively can be 100’s or 1000’s of meters in length , so the customer has no need for locally powered router , their ‘experience’ is identical to PSTN , in that they make no changes within their homes , with the caveat that the full national number needs to be used .
Thanks for your response with its extra detail.
I understand your description of the need for ATA functionality at the exchange but what is actually used for the Home_Phone_Standard product? Nothing would be better than using a port on an existing 21C analogue line card to provide 40mA loop current, detect on hook/off hook and all the other ATA-ish analogue functions: indeed, an existing customer upgrading to this product would already be so connected. However as you'd have to get the analogue line card to communicate with SIP its presumably not what's used !
So I remain intrigued!
What’s your obsession with this completely made up terminology , Home_Phone_Standard product ? , the standard BT telephone product is called Digital Voice , it’s a proprietary VoIP service .
If you are looking for the technical specifications, then this forum is not likely to provide you with them , what’s more they would be of no use to you anyway , it’s unclear what you are trying to accomplish, this transitional product to all intents and purposes works in the same way as DV provided by a local broadband router , without the need for a broadband router to be connected at the customer’s property…the exact details of how it interfaces into BT’s 21CN equipment is irrelevant to the customer , all they need to know is it functions in the same way as if the customers phone was connected to a SH2 phone port .
I suspect you will have to remain intrigued if that basic description is insufficient.
Sorry if I've stepped over the mark.
The Home Phone Standard title came from the customer documentation that I was shown.
The rest is just a retiree's fascination for how things have changed but I'll leave it there.
https://www.bt.com/bt-plc/assets/documents/special-services/pdpl-customer-pack.pdf
Anything more technical won’t be available on public forums , you’d need an ‘insider’ to furnish you with details
https://www.bt.com/about/all-ip/case-studies/pre-digital-phone-line
@Endersby23 Although not down to schematics level , you may find more background and technical trends etc within past editions of the ITP Journal (IPOEE in the old days!) that, if you are ex BT / PO you can get access to for a retired members fee. Maybe worth a visit to theitp.org website? Just a thought.