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What an utter clown show! 

I got yet another unsolicited SH2 through the post and a flyer saying that DV is coming.  Rather than keep arguing, I decided to give it a whirl for a while.   The excellent setup info by others on this thread for setting up a downstream router would do the job, I just needed a little bit of extra info from BT.

By way of background I’m out of contract, paying a ridiculous £73/mo for 300Mb plus UK calls and more importantly, I’ve waited long enough to now have non-BT/Openreach options.  There’s a new kid in town with a solid 4.8* rating on Trustpilot who is eager to pull a new fibre in and sign me up for broadband and VoIP.

So I tried to contact the (normally outstanding) BT Technical guys to get just a little more info about settings on their SH2 router.  For a company that’s selling telephone services it’s utterly perverse how difficult they make it to speak to someone by phone.

It started with over two, slow hours with first a chatbot then supposedly a human, trying to get a number for Technical.  We went round and round, until eventual he/it decided, against my wishes to log me for a call back by Executive Complaints.

I found a number for Technical eventually and, after navigating my way past someone who didn’t even know what DHCP is, managed to get a call back from a really helpful and knowledgeable manager.  Yes, he’s familiar with my query, there’s a simple solution, but he can’t tell me what it is.  He would do normally, but he can see that I’m on the list for EC to contact me, they outrank him so they have to tell me the answer.

Eventually someone from Executive Complaints rings.  He’s looked through the chat thread, done some research and is sorry to tell me, there’s no solution.  

But Joe in Technical says there is, can I just speak to him, or could you?” 

Answer ………….., “I’m Executive Complaints and I’m telling you there is no solution……… can I mark this complaint now as closed?

You couldn’t make it up.

 

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Message 402 of 411

Re: Digital Voice with different Router

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Perhaps if you were to tell us what settings you require, we could tell you what they are.

I can't imagine what it is you are missing that hasn't been posted countless times on the forum already.

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Really?  Is that the best you've got?  BT fails miserably under a mountain of bureaucracy and you're going to tell me what I needed to know?

I despair.

Not to worry, I found what I needed on t'internet thingy.  But have you no words of contrition about the ridiculous leviathan you work for?

I'm now temporarliy set up with a heavily knobbled SH2 servicing my all singing and dancing upmarket router and complex network.  On the BT Fast speed test (laptop plugged direct into SH2) it's showing about 76Mb down and 45Mb up.  Less than a third of what I'm paying for.  I'm not even going to bother complaining.

I say "termporarliy" because very soon those nice, new, 4.7* chaps are coming to give me 500Mb (symetric) plus VoIP and calls for a mere £39/mo.  Free ATA for the legacy telephones, bountiful technical advice in advance on how to do it all with my own router, all sorted on the phone with someone who was willing to dig into a lot of detail of my queries and e-mail me with the answers. 

The only expected complication?  Getting the number ported over from BT.

I'd say BT take note.  But why bother?

 

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Yawn, I don't work for anyone. This is a customer to customer self help forum.

Feel free to continue whinging, as you are clearly not looking for a solution.

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@JustaSimpleMan 

This is a BT residential customer to customer forum. Your post does not go to BT. The only BT staff are the forum moderators who do not necessarily read all the posts.

That is the best moan about nothing I have heard in a long time. 

A simple issue complicated by some one more intent on wanting to complain and have a moan than seek a solution.

 

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Oh dear, it's sad but not surprising to get such a dismissive and personally targeted response.  To get it from two sages makes me wonder what's actually going on here.   I'll try to respond without sinking to that level.

There's 41 pages on this thread  so far, of people by and large, either trying to find answers with limited or no success or having a whinge.   If you look back over Liquorice's input during that time it comes overwhelmingly in two flavours:

  • That's how it is, suck it up.                  or
  • It's somewhere on here, look it up.

I refer you to page 1, item 2.   "It can't be done".  I've followed the thread since the very beginning and the general thrust hasn't changed much over the years.

I'm eternally grateful to Choppyc and Montengo for their invaluable answers on to how to achieve something that should be easy, but help wasn't forthcoming from any sage, BT employee or not.

To be clear, I posted neither to find an answer, which I had got eventually under my or steam anyway, or to whinge about "nothing".   The very fact you see it that way underpins the whole problem with BT.  If they aren't looking at this forum, where in Heaven's name are they actually looking for feedback?

It's certainly not Trustpilot where 88% of the 19.7k reviews are 1 star,  One of them is mine and yes, that one was indeed a whinge. It goes back to when I discovered that my copper line had been switched at the exchange and someone else in the next village had been inadvertently calling on my line for a fortnight. At least I made a new friend tha time.   I could go on about the multi-day outages as well, all presumably while clearing the decks for DV.  But I don't want to sound sour.

I posted to report back and if I'm honest, to reinforce the overwhelmingly poor experience of BT throughout this forum.  Call it a whinge if that fits your world view, othes can see the thread and come to their own conclusions. The problem is, every time you interact with BT it's worse than the time before. The Technical people are awesome but they are coccooned behind a wall of tosh and obfuscation.

We're not going to agree here, I can feel it in my water.  But just ponder, dear sage, how much are you really helping here and how much input is reinforcing the view that the king really does have a beautiful suit of clothes.

I've been a British Telecom (as was) customer since I bought my first house in 1980 and had no end of hassle on the journey.  But as Popeye the Sailorman said,  "I can stands so much and I can't stands no more".  I'm off.

Post another dismissive reply as I'm sure you feel you must.  I won't be here.

 

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Lets get a few facts here.

BT's Digital Voice is proprietary and requires the use of the BT Smart Hub in order for it to work. Apart from an extremely complicated setup detailed  here https://forum.openwrt.org/t/bt-digital-voice-and-3rd-party-routers/142125 , the BT hub needs to be the first device connected to line.

To use a third party router in conjunction with the BT Hub there are 2 configurations that can be applied. Both have been described in detail multiple times in the forum and generically across the wider internet..

Configuration 1 is to use the third party router simply as an access point by connecting the 2 devices LAN port to LAN port.

Configuration 2 is the use the third party router as a router (but incurring double NAT) by connecting the Hub's LAN port to the third party WAN port.

Happy now?

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Prior to your post the last post on this thread was two years ago. Your last thread asking about DV was five years ago. 

https://community.bt.com/t5/Archive-Staging/Alternative-To-Smart-Hub-2-for-Digital-Voice-suggestions...

and you say you did not post to find an answer or have whinge yet that is clearly what it is!!

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Yeah, you've been saying that for 40-odd pages of this thread Liquorice.

I can report though that my switch over to faster, 60% cheaper broadband with a free ATA for VoIP  has brought utter joy to my heart. 

The only hassle, of course, was BT - when the landline number porting date came along they first released it then snatched it back, not once but twice before it was 3rd time lucky. For a full 4 days I could call out on the same number from both BT and from my new provider. When they asked for my (2019) Smarthub back they sent me a prepaid label with another customer's name, address and ID on it. But I'm free at last and like a ten pound Pom, won't be back.

Happy now? You bet'cha.

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Yep, it appears that I had/have two IDs on this forum. 

Maybe that's because for reasons best known to BT, I also have/had two live account numbers, one of which was at a previous property 8 years ago.   The website and (presumably?) this forum defaults to the relic ID, which I only found out when trying to download recent bills.

Another BT organisational triumph.

There's at at least two other current threads on a similar subject to this one and you'll find my old ghost in more recent times on those too, probably under my nom de plume.

Never mind, they're all dead to me now. 

Bye Bye.


@gg30340wrote:

Prior to your post the last post on this thread was two years ago. Your last thread asking about DV was five years ago. 

https://community.bt.com/t5/Archive-Staging/Alternative-To-Smart-Hub-2-for-Digital-Voice-suggestions...

and you say you did not post to find an answer or have whinge yet that is clearly what it is!!


 

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