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Message 21 of 29

Re: Full fibre connection existing internal copper network

Even if your extension wiring is Ethernet ready cabling , it will be phone sockets terminated on that cable , and ran from the master socket ….as stated , the master socket is redundant once FTTP is installed,   the phone service is provided via the broadband router connected to the ONT ….if you want to reuse the copper extension cable ( Ethernet standard or phone  standard ) from the master socket to the current router location , you will need to arrange that , the installer will leave the router connected to the ONT ( presumably located near the master socket at your request ) and to use the phone initially, it will be plugged into the router …anything you do subsequently is your decision.

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Message 22 of 29

Re: Full fibre connection existing internal copper network

If I understood all your jargoned response, do you think I would be asking you such questions ?

I am not an electrical or electronic engineer and I would have thought that obvious from the questions I was asking. 

 

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Message 23 of 29

Re: Full fibre connection existing internal copper network

Sorry for the jargon.  It’s difficult to explain things quickly without referring to it.  Let me try and pad things out a bit:

FTTP is “Fibre To The Premises”, i.e. “Full Fibre”.  (The older type of fibre was FTTC, “Fibre To The Cabinet”.  This used the old copper phone line from the street cabinet to your door and delivered the broadband through the phone socket.  It was also known as just “Fibre”).  You indicate that your question is in connection with an upgrade to full fibre, (so you are getting FTTP).

With FTTP, an ONT or Optical Network Termination, is needed to convert the light signals in the fibre to electrical signals that your router can use.  It’s the optical equivalent of a modem.  It is a small box mounted on the wall, with lights on it, and consequently needs to be close to a power point.  This delivers the broadband, (and Digital Voice), and the broadband does not come through the phone socket any more.  The phone socket is redundant.

Cat 5/Cat 5e/Cat 6 refers to the performance specification of ethernet cable.  Category or “Cat” 5e and 6 are needed for gigabit connections in modern computer networks.  Cat 5 is obsolete, (but I believe it can sometimes be used for phone extensions).  Most phone extensions are the even older Cat 3, with just 2 twisted pairs of wires, rather than the 4 pairs computers need.

Phone cables are wired in a different pattern to network cables.  Modern phones extensions are wired as a daisy chain, one after the other.   Computer networks use a star pattern, radiating from a central point.  Unfortunately, this means the two wiring installations are physically different even if it is ethernet cable and it will likely not work as a computer network.

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Message 24 of 29

Re: Full fibre connection existing internal copper network

@Peterhcee you haven't answered the question whether you wish to retain any extension sockets or just wish to have broadband on the first floor and either a phone plugged into the hub and/or Digital Voice handsets to provide telephony.

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Message 25 of 29

Re: Full fibre connection existing internal copper network

The master socket says Openreach 5c.

The hose was wired so there is a phone socket + electrical socket at high level for mounting a tv and I assume the phone socket was for tv streaming.

 

 

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Message 26 of 29

Re: Full fibre connection existing internal copper network

Yes, I would like to retain the hub on the 1st floor as I know I will get a good wifi signal in every room.

The phone will plug into the hub and I will have a digital voice service once the service is changed from Fibre 1 to Fibre 500

Does that help you?

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Message 27 of 29

Re: Full fibre connection existing internal copper network

Yes, but the socket high up for TV streaming would feed a broadband signal to a TV box with a modem in it.  The phone signal and ethernet may both be electrical signals but that's where the similarity ends.  The phone and ethernet are different formats.  The router (modem) converts between the two.

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Message 28 of 29

Re: Full fibre connection existing internal copper network

Thank you for your patience and detailed explanation.

 

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Message 29 of 29

Re: Full fibre connection existing internal copper network

Ok, if you only require your hub at it's current location and the phone plugged into it, then all you need to do, as explained in message 19 of the thread, is to change both the master and extension sockets for Ethernet (RJ45) sockets. The ONT will then connect to the downstairs socket with a short patch lead and the hub to the socket on the first floor with a short patch lead.

This work will be your responsibility.

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