Why doesn't the master socket include an ethernet port as standard?

[MissMoppett]

Life would be a lot simpler if all master sockets included a port to plug in your router.

[HHGTTG]

Supposing there is no Broadband FTTC at this socket though? The faceplate can be changed, can't it?
Hey, but what do I really know as I'm only a beginner here.

[gg30340]

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@MissMoppett wrote:

Life would be a lot simpler if all master sockets included a port to plug in your router.

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It would depend on what type of broadband you have whether or not a master socked would be used. 

New build houses are now built to accomodate full fibre broadband and are generally not fitted with a master socket and as more properties are moved to FTTP and a digital phone service they no longer requier a master socket so while your idea may seem like a good one unfortunately it would not be workable.

[Paul608085]

@MissMoppett 

Can you clarify exactly what you mean?

What use would an ethernet port on the master phone socket serve? If you mean so that a separate plugin filter is not required, then the Openreach Master Socket 5c mk4 does that. But neither of the sockets on the faceplate is "ethernet", aka RJ45 - the router connection is RJ11 and the telephone is BT431A/631A

[HHGTTG]

I thought that FTTC required the face plate to have an Ethernet socket as the router would plug into that or is that still RJ11 then? That is RJ45 one end and RJ11 at the other.
Confused of Bromley.

[Paul608085]

@HHGTTG 

No, the cable from that faceplate to the router has a RJ11 plug at each end.

Paul - ex of Petts Wood.  😀

[HHGTTG]

So uses that same old ADSL socket on the router then that I'm currently using for my ADSL BB.
I obviously git that wrong then.
Thanks.

[wkirkman]

Hello,

To be exact, the ports of the MK4 Faceplate on the Master Socket 5C are: on the right, a BT Telephone Socket and on the left an RJ45 socket that also takes an RJ11 plug. It is not an 'Ethernet Port' as it does not actually accept Ethernet Frames and is not connected to an Ethernet Network, but the socket itself is dual.

(I, myself, had fitted an RJ45 plug to my DSL lead (RJ11 one end to the router, RJ45 to the socket) because as I was redecorating the router fell and the lead stretched to breaking point — and the only plugs I had to hand to replace were RJ45's.)

I have since removed the MK4 and replaced it with a plain BT Plug faceplate and re-crimped the cable with a BT431A end as I have FTTC and digital voice and so a filter faceplate is no longer needed… but that's a bit off topic.

[HHGTTG]

Well I'm completely confused now. Currently, I have ADSL and a Master socket comprising just an RJ431 type socket that supplies both phone and ADSL with filters at each phone and my router.

If i go over to FTTC or VDSL, what change will need to be done to the faceplate as presumably I now need an RJ11 socket for the router and another for the phone until the switch to DV. 

[wkirkman]

For FTTC only the left hand socket is used for VDSL and fits in exactly the same port in the back of the Smart Hub as ADSL - the small grey RJ11 port.

You should have, ADSL or VDSL (if you are not using a later Master Socket 5C) a DSL filter dongle. Not just on your phones. The dongle plugs in BT connection to the Master Socket, provides RJ11 for Internet and Phone for normal PSTN phone. If you are not using a filter between Master Socket and router, you should be. And that might be the confusion. I think you are. So a filter is needed there and an RJ11 to RJ11 connection between that and the Smart Hub router (supplied with the Smart Hub).

If your socket was upgrade to the Master Socket 5C as above, the filter 'is' the MK4 faceplate, and the separate ports are presented within it.

If you were moved from standard phone to Digital Voice (VoIP) then your phone would not plug into filter dongle or faceplate but into the green port at the back of the router itself.