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b16del
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how to hide ssid on the new hub 3.0

hi there,

            i have just got the new hub and i want to hide my wireless network but there is no option to do this in the hub settings that i can see????? on the older hub i was able to do this .

 

any help welcome

thanks

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DS
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Re: how to hide ssid on the new hub 3.0

Hi,

 

The hide SSID option is not available on the hub3.

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Sean038
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Re: how to hide ssid on the new hub 3.0

One of the major options to help secure a wireless network is to hide the SSID. BT supposedly pride themselves with the home hub v3 based on its security, and yet the major option of hiding SSID is missing.

 

Surely you are going to introduce this option soon.

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Keith_Beddoe
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Re: how to hide ssid on the new hub 3.0

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Hiding the SSID is inconvenient to anyone trying to find a free wireless channel, and presents no obstacle to anyone serious about hacking your wireless network.

 

WiFi scanners will still see your wireless network`s MAC address.

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Sean038
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Re: how to hide ssid on the new hub 3.0

Answer seems sound.

 

However, IT Security & Forensics courses teach that during the process of setting up and securing a wireless network either domestically or industrially hiding the SSID is a major security step along with a decent security passphrase/key as well as encryption and authentication.

 

As for it being inconvienent for someone trying to find a free wireless channel, if you are referring to which channel the wireless network broadcasts on so as to avoid interference from other local networks broadcasting on the same channel, surely the home hub v3 "smart wireless" technology that is designed to avoid interference should solve this problem.

 

If you are referring to someone trying to find a free broadband connection, mine isnt free so I would want to hide mine.

 

One final thing if hiding the SSID is so inconvenient and provides no serious portection, why do all routers currently on sale even those designed for business networking solutions still have the option to hide the SSID. Home Hub V2 had it, Home Hub V3 is the only one that doesn't.

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john46
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Re: how to hide ssid on the new hub 3.0

hi Keith is refering to BT FON &OPENZONE services which are freely available on BT hubs Hiding SSID's would make use of these services unusable to others
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Keith_Beddoe
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Re: how to hide ssid on the new hub 3.0

I was referring to the fact that other users with their own wireless routers, would not be able to see which channels are free, if other SSIDs are hidden.

 

When people only used WEP encryption, then hiding your SSID and using MAC filtering, were useful security precautions.

 

Now with WPA2 encryption, and good wireless passphrases, hiding your SSID seems a pit pointless.

 

I believe that on the home hub 2, if you hide your SSID, the BTOpenzone and FON SSIDs are still broadcast.

 

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Re: how to hide ssid on the new hub 3.0

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Sean038 wrote:

Answer seems sound.

 

However, IT Security & Forensics courses teach that during the process of setting up and securing a wireless network either domestically or industrially hiding the SSID is a major security step along with a decent security passphrase/key as well as encryption and authentication.

 

That I guess would be true, but won't ever stop a determined hacker

 

As for it being inconvienent for someone trying to find a free wireless channel, if you are referring to which channel the wireless network broadcasts on so as to avoid interference from other local networks broadcasting on the same channel,

 

I do believe Keith is referring to the above, not BTF/O

 

surely the home hub v3 "smart wireless" technology that is designed to avoid interference should solve this problem.

 

Hmm, 'smart wifi' only works on channels 1,6 and 11. IF these channels are all used and the signals from the other routers are the same (plausible), then TBH I'm not sure how 'smart wifi' would cope with this. It does check 3 times every 24 hours, though I've turned my 'smart wifi' off on my hub3.

 

If you are referring to someone trying to find a free broadband connection, mine isnt free so I would want to hide mine.

 

AFAIK if you hide your channel (on a hub2 for example), BTF/O would still transmit and be visible - it's been a while since any of my hub2's have been used as a primary hub

 

One final thing if hiding the SSID is so inconvenient and provides no serious portection, why do all routers currently on sale even those designed for business networking solutions still have the option to hide the SSID.

 

Don't know.... maybe just to hide it from those whom wouldn't know about wifi sniffers?

 

Home Hub V2 had it, Home Hub V3 is the only one that doesn't.

 

The hub3 allows us to turn off our own SSID yet leaving Fon/Openzone active. This wasn't possible on the hub2.




 edit. Written before I noticed Keith had replied...:smileyvery-happy:

 

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Sean038
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Re: how to hide ssid on the new hub 3.0

Thanks for the responses.

 

I just wanna make sure I've got this straight.

 

Your telling me that:

 

Home Hub v2 - WPA2 - Hidden SSIS - Decent Passphrase

 

offers no more wireless network security than.

 

Home Hub v3 - WPA2 - Broadcast SSID- Decent Passphrase.

 

Is that right?

 

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Jonkarra
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Re: how to hide ssid on the new hub 3.0


Sean038 wrote:

One of the major options to help secure a wireless network is to hide the SSID. BT supposedly pride themselves with the home hub v3 based on its security, and yet the major option of hiding SSID is missing.

 

Surely you are going to introduce this option soon.


Hiding the SSID does nothing. There are dozens of network utilies that are easy to obtain that will still show your network and its SSID even if it is hidden. The only way to secure your network is strong authentication and encryption. IE dont use WEP and use WPA/WPA2 with the strongest available encryption algorythm AES-256 normally with a long and complex preshared key.