Hi
Looking for some advice we have a landline with BT and ADSL with Sky.
There is no FTTP or FTTC to the house - checked on the openreach checker, BT have sent communications to say the landline is being upgraded.
Sky have informed us that the broadband is due to be cancelled on the 7th Jan. We haven't initiated any of this and Sky can't help to stop this ( despite several calls ). Phoning BT has proven useless as no one can help - they need my elderly father to give me permission to speak to them but I'm unable to get to him at the moment.
Is there an escalation route for this through BT?
We think it's due to digital voice but BT have sent no proper explanation of this change or that they have initiated cancellation of our broadband.
It's getting close to OFCOM complaint territory.
Thanks for reading and any advice.
BT cannot cancel your Sky broadband, but if you are on a legacy arrangement called SMPF , where you pay line rental to BT , and pay separately for broadband, in your case with Sky , this shared metallic path facility cannot exist in an all IP world which is what is currently happening , migration to Digital Voice (and off the PSTN network which isn’t an IP system) and the PSTN switch off is part of it , presumably Sky have decided to cease your broadband because it’s on SMPF , rather than start a negotiation with you again , it’s no longer viable to maintain this type of arrangement, it’s going to have to finish sooner rather than later, Sky presumably have decided to bite the bullet and terminate your service now ……you incorrectly ‘blame’ BT for this , it is impossible for BT to issue cease orders for other companies connections.
Sky first line customer service can tell you what they want , it doesn’t make it true , Sky have decided to cease your SMPF broadband, because it has to go anyway , they offered you probably many years ago the option to join Sky for broadband and telephony but presumably you didn’t accept their offer back then.
You also seem something of an oddity in that literally decades ago , when Sky gave all their SMPF broadband customers an ultimatum, join Sky for both telephony and broadband or find another broadband provider , so somehow you slipped through the cracks most didn’t get to stay on this shared arrangement, somehow you did .
SMPF was popular decades ago , when it was required to have BT providing a phone line so they ir others then could add broadband to it ( as an add on ) that hasn’t been the case for very many years, Sky has offered its own telephony for decades , SMPF has been a legacy product on the wane since then , frankly you should have acted earlier to get off SMPF while you still had ‘control’ of the process , basically you have run out of time and Sky have decided for you .
Contact Ofcom all you want but it’s difficult to see what your complaint is , Sky not BT have arbitrarily given you notice to find a different broadband provider ,that’s their choice , you are obviously at liberty to rejoin Sky for broadband and telephony ( if you want them to add telephony to Sky broadband) but you cannot stay as SMPF , or alternatively add BT broadband to your BT telephone (once Sky have removed your SMPF broadband service )
Finally , this is really a blessing in disguise, you will have been paying in the order of double the price that having broadband and phone with a single provider would be , that’s with either BT or Sky, doing this at any point in the last 10-12 years ( joining Sky for both services or BT for both services ) would have halved your costs , by delaying , it’s been ridiculously expensive, by remaining on SMPF for as long as you have , it’s probably costed you over £3000 more than necessary over the last ten years .
It seems pretty simple the way forward , decide who you want to be with , BT , Sky or even a new provider and then arrange to join them for both services , unfortunately by leaving it as late as you have , a period without broadband is probably inevitable, acting sooner would have been preferable and avoided any broadband down time .
@sia555 To note that Openreach are also withdrawing and closing their LLU SMPF (Local Loop Unbundling Shared Metallic Path Facility) and SLU SMPF (Sub-Loop Unbundling Shared Metallic Path Facility) products along side their WLR (analogue phone service) by January 2027
We stopped selling new WLR across the UK on 5 September 2023. And as we continue our full fibre roll out, we’re also winding down the range of copper-based services we supply.
The following Openreach products will therefore be withdrawn as part of WLR withdrawal:
WLR3 analogue
WLR3 ISDN2
WLR3 ISDN30
LLU SMPF
SLU SMPF Narrowband Line Share Classic
Quote from https://www.openreach.co.uk/cpportal/products/the-all-ip-programme/wlr-withdrawal
As @iniltous has said that as we all move to a digital based phone service, legacy services that shared the same line but from different providers, e.g landline phone service from one provider but the broadband from another over the same line is also being withdrawn and closed.
In this situation it's best to decide which provider will supply both the broadband and phone service.
I'm playing devils advocate here, but reading through @sia555 statement, it might appear that they may not have had any say in the service that was being provided. It seems it might have been their elderly father that held the cards and that the parent may well have not given the details of the contract status.
I'm just saying, your monologue might be seen as accusatory toward the OP if they had no control over the situation in the first instance. If the OP doesn't have PoA, then clearly they cannot do anything unless they get permission from the bill payer.
If I'm incorrect in my observations, I apologise in advance.
I’m not differentiating between the OP and the bill payer , I dare say some elderly parents are difficult to reason with (I’m in my 60’s , I dare say my kids may say that about me ) , the point I’m making is that BT did not remove Sky broadband, Sky removed their broadband as it were on an unsupported product that has reached the end of the ‘line’ ( pun intended)
I suppose its possible that the exchange the OP parent is connected to was never ‘unbundled’ by Sky to offer MPF (full LLU) in which case it’s entirely possible that Sky cannot offer its LLU broadband , hence the reason why they have pulled the plug , if they were in effect reselling BTw ADSL under their own brand name for the last decade or so ,and Sky and BTw will no longer have this as a product , in which case BT providing ADSL would be identical to what they have , albeit as SoTAP , assuming the OP assertion about not having fibre to the cabinet is true .
Yes, I get that, but you didn't really treat the situation with any obvious sensitivity. Just my two penneth.
TBH , when a poster , in my opinion posts a rant , rather than a question , I don’t see the need for sensitivity, especially when it’s uninformed, if I misinterpret their intentions, then I may well appear boorish , but asking BT why Sky have ceased the customers broadband then posting here about how useless BT is , seems ridiculous to me
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For clarity here are the results of a few checks on the exchange.
Don't appreciate some of these comments - we contacted BT before Christmas who told us they could cancel the broadband cease, Sky repeatedly told us the order was from BT when speaking to their 3rd party cease team 3 times and that they couldn't do anything.
At no point did anyone from Sky or BT explain that the phone/broadband would need to be with one or the other. If they had explained this maybe this would be less of an annoyed post.
Unfortunately, the front-line help desk of both companies is pretty useless and often don’t know what they are talking about.
Have you posted this on the Sky forum? I’m an occasional poster there myself, so I know a lot of the regulars, and they are just as knowledgeable as the guys here. They may well be able to help you more in this particular case.
Personally, I would say if your father insists he wants to stay with Sky, your best bet is probably to get him to re-negotiate a new contract for “Sky broadband and Talk”* then get Sky to port the original phone number over from BT. Of course, that may need him to cancel the move to Digital Voice through BT first. The guys on the Sky forum may know the procedure better than here, as I’m sure this is not the first time this problem has come up.
(*"Sky Talk" is Sky’s equivalent of Digital Voice).