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Message 11 of 19

Re: FTTP install and front steps

You have no right to say I an entitled, how rude. If BT don’t bother to communicate with their customer, explain things and get permission before digging up their property that’s their problem not mine. As if I should worry about a huge corporation’s margins because of that basic incompetence! 

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Message 12 of 19

Re: FTTP install and front steps

It’s not rude , it’s not incompetence, to point out that digging is most likely necessary, and for you to continue with your order knowing that you will refuse to allow any digging (if that’s your intention ) is something , if its not entitlement what would you call it ?

FWIW , it’s Openreach not BT that provides the network and any work necessary.

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Message 13 of 19

Re: FTTP install and front steps

I can virtually guarantee the Civils Team, be it Openreach DL or Contractors will not dismantle those steps leading up to the front door.

I’d imagine what they’ll do is Track and Locate the Duct using a Cat & Genny before it gets to the steps, dig down on it, break into the duct and then divert it to the external wall.

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Message 14 of 19

Re: FTTP install and front steps

Thanks, depending on where the duct runs and the cleanness/messiness left afterwards that could be acceptable. Good to be informed before I get an actual proposal. 

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Message 15 of 19

Re: FTTP install and front steps

1. I never said I would refuse any digging.

2. I never said you were incompetent.

3. You said it may be possible they can do it without digging the drive.

4. You said the team are going to show up without BT or anyone telling me what will happen or checking I am ok with it. That is what I said is incompetent. I have no obligation to worry about their ‘time and effort’ arranging this just because they didn’t communicate and check with me. 

5. I am a customer of BT not openreach. It is BT who should communicate with me that’s why I said BT, but anybody will do.

 

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Message 16 of 19

Re: FTTP install and front steps

I think you have totally unrealistic expectations regarding item 4.

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Message 17 of 19

Re: FTTP install and front steps

And I never said you would refuse , I said if (that’s the point I said ‘if’ ) you continued with your order knowing you would refuse excavation was an unreasonable position to take ,obviously I can’t know your intentions, I never assumed you would refuse or accept excavation, just that excavation will be the most likely outcome .

I never took your incompetence statement as personal, and it may prove to be possible to get a new cable in without digging, but that eventuality should be considered a bonus not the expected outcome , although a team may turn up without much if any notice , they don’t simply start digging without permission, and before you were appraised of how this works , you could reasonably ague it’s not your problem to worry about their wasted time and effort if they say digging is necessary and you didn’t appreciate that was the case , but you do now know that .

If it is the  case they turn up and say we need to dig , and you know in advance that’s likely to be necessary, you continuing the order and you then say excavation is unacceptable, in my opinion that is entitled behaviour, but as I stated , that’s your choice , after-all you will also be wasting your own time refusing the work then cancelling your order , then potentially accepting you current provider ‘remaining as you are’ terms may be financially a poor choice.


If you (once appraised of the route of the excavation etc ) are minded to agree that’s fine ,I’d hope the majority of people who know excavation is likely will take this position, if you are minded to disallow any disruption at all , pointing out this is wasteful of both your own time as well Openreach’s doesn’t seem particularly rude , frankly I’m at a loss to understand your reaction.

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Message 18 of 19

Re: FTTP install and front steps

On my installation (with community fibre (FTTP) replacing BT FTTC) I worked out where I wanted it to go, checked where the BT cabling came into the house and cleared a lot of space to help in advance and paid extra (£75 more) for fibre to the room  - an extra service Community Fibre but probably not BT offer just in case there was an issue about the route I wanted (in my case through the existing BT/openreach hole into the garage, along garage wall, out the back wall through a hole, along the back wall and then into my home office where I need fastest telecoms at back of house - just about the least convenient place for any installer; but I got what I wanted and they followed the existing BT route which helped.

 

(By the way perhaps remove the heavy stone statue by the door as burglars love to find something  heavy they can use to small glass - neighbours opposite lost all the gold in a front room almost exactly in that way - very heavy stone object kept conveniently by glass front door ready to aid a burglar).

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Message 19 of 19

Re: FTTP install and front steps

I worked on the Tools for over 20 years. Put in many an A55 for things just like this.

Worked alongside Civils guys on joint site meets more times than you’ve had hot dinners.

Trust me, they ain’t lifting those steps.

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