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Message 1 of 30

BT insisted I have to buy a broadband package to keep my home phone

A somewhat long story...

I received a scare letter from BT saying TAKE ACTION TODAY  And Keep your service.

I called them saying I just wanted to keep my home phone and they would not budge from "copper is all going away, you have to take and pay for a broadband package to keep your phone service".

Note that I expected one of two things
 1. A 'free' broadband package at whatever level support VIOP (BT DV)
 2. Some variant of a PDPL service

So I give up saying I will do some research, they tell me I have until the end of the year.

Anyway, then I discover one of my relatives on the same exchange as myself has very recently been migraded to DV, keeping the existing  copper line, only issue being they now have to dial full area codes.

So I call again.

Conversation starts the same with me getting annoyed after hearing the same story. Then I drop the fact that I know it is possilble to keep a copper phone line on my exchange and if they don't budge I want to log a complaint and get a letter explaining why. Then it all changes.  Apparently there is a Home Phone Standard product that could be an option - for a limited number of people.

And this evening I discover this...
https://www.bt.com/help/landline/moving-to-dv/dv-landline-only

So that looks like it might be an optoin but my situatino is complicated.  I have a separate business broadband connection to the property (no phone lines) and it seems if that is on the same 'connection' to the exchange then chaging my home phone setup will terminate that connection. But BT can't tell me if that is the case or not.

Does this make sense to anyone?

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Re: BT insisted I have to buy a broadband package to keep my home phone

In other posts I read about SMPF which sounds like it is what the BT agent was concerened about. I did have that in the past: a BT retail phone line and a separately provided ADSL then VDSL product on the same line.
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Re: BT insisted I have to buy a broadband package to keep my home phone

Do you have more than 1 line to the property? If not then you'll have to move to one supplier for both if only 1 line

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Re: BT insisted I have to buy a broadband package to keep my home phone

If your business broadband and telephone use the same copper line you cannot keep both even with the temporary solution for phone as that requires making change to line which will terminate your business broadband



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Re: BT insisted I have to buy a broadband package to keep my home phone

To clarify...


Domestic phone line is - a copper phone line
Business broadband is fibre, moved from VDSL in 2025.

 

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Re: BT insisted I have to buy a broadband package to keep my home phone

But you've not answered the important bit, same line or not?

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Re: BT insisted I have to buy a broadband package to keep my home phone

I'm not understanding...

To me Fibre == FTTP if that helps.

The copper and Fibre are completely different connections.

 

 

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Re: BT insisted I have to buy a broadband package to keep my home phone

To clarify further , is your business ‘fibre’ completely separate and is a fibre Ethernet leased line using its own fibre cable from outside , and has nothing to do with native GEA FTTP or copper pairs  , or does it share the same copper pair as your current telephone service or was a regular FTTP connection so you have an ONT, the fact it’s supplied on a business tariff is unimportant as far as technology is concerned, do you have something like this , 
https://www.openreach.com/help-and-support/openreach-equipment-in-my-home, but rather than take telephone with that you took the very expensive option to keep a separate copper telephone line as well , ?

If your broadband is shared metallic path facility (SMPF) or FTTP , ( so isn’t a fibre leased line ) , then you do need to make a choice , and your relative’s situation is not remotely the same , anyone with a standard copper pair  telephone line as their only service  ( not SMPF  )  will be moved to PDPL  , seemingly called home  phone standard by BT , this is an action taken in the exchange, relatively benign to the user (no broadband needed , no local power concerns etc ) simply the need to start to dial the full nation number on local calls ) , the notification you got suggests this isn’t you as that simply gives a date to expect a short break in service while the migration is made from PSTN to PDPL in the exchange building , many areas have had to use full nation numbers for years so even that may not be a change but a continuation of the existing situation,

anyone in an Openreach FTTP area wanting BT telephony as their only service into the address , uses the Openreach FTTP network with a ‘free’ BT broadband service to host it , they don’t get a second FTTP service if they already have a OR FTTP service from someone else , after all they can hardly claim to be unconnected, and they can add telephone from the same supplier or a VoIP supplier to that broadband if telephony is needed ,  to argue anything else is simply trying to game the system .


If you are SMPF , you either drop broadband , or drop telephone but you can’t remain with two separate suppliers on a single copper line , a further complicated could be if when you took your SMPF broadband you took it on a residential telephone line .

If you already have FTTP , albeit with a business, then OR/BT may be under no obligation to keep you connected with a second voice only service especially as that is a legacy PSTN product, you can elect to take telephone from your FTTP supplier or change supplier to one that does offer voice with FTTP or even use a third party VoIP supplier .


You calling regular customer service on what is today a very rare , legacy arrangement, will not necessarily get you consistent, accurate information, but the letter you got should be accurate , this forum can only give an opinion anyway ( only being a customer to customer forum) but without confirmation on what your broadband service actually is , then it’s speculative at best …..you should know if your broadband is a leased line as the equipment supplied is designed to fit in a server room rack and is clearly not a domestic piece of kit , here’s what leased line kit looks like ,

https://www.adtran-networks.com/-/media/adva-main-site/resources/data-sheets/pdfs/fsp-150cc.ashx?la=...

it’s also multiple times the cost of domestic broadband or FTTP , so if you are paying less than £100 a month and we’re not tied to a 5 year deal , it’s very unlikely you have a fibre leased line and you have domestic grade broadband even if it were sold to you as a business connection, 

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Message 9 of 30

Re: BT insisted I have to buy a broadband package to keep my home phone

Am I missing something here, the OP has 2 entirely separate services, one FTTP broadband the other copper PSTN. SMPF doesn't come into it.

There is absolutely no connection between the 2 services other than they both terminate at the same address.

Surely the business FTTP line is irrelevant in the context of what happens to the PSTN line.

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Message 10 of 30

Re: BT insisted I have to buy a broadband package to keep my home phone

Actually it may do, if the business provider uses openreach infrastructure too it definitely will. Any change to DV will trigger an upgrade to FTTP as well with the stop/sell so it all depends who the business bb provider is & what network they use. I suspect the letter received is exactly the one saying they need 1 provider for both going forward

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