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Message 21 of 40

Re: Connecting Digital Voice

The liberalisation of equipment supply in the early 1980’s ( so well over 40 years ago ) requires that the customers own extension wiring be connected to the removable consumer panel of the master socket , so if a customer made a mess of their own wiring , it’s simplicity itself to disconnect it from the ‘line’ by unplugging the consumer panel from the master socket , call out Openreach in these circumstances where the customer messes up and refuses to disconnect their wiring by removing the panel and insisting on a visit is a chargable event ….messing internal wiring up only afects that consumers line , no one else’s , so in that respect OR don’t particularly care .

As far as does voice reinjection need to be from the master socket , no , any socket in the ‘chain’ can be utilised to connect to the router but the isolation between the ‘outside line’  and the internal wiring needs to  be at the master socket , plus as stated if the router isn’t to connect to the master socket but an extension socket then a DSL connection needs to remain between the master and extension socket for the router to be able to use that extension socket .

I’m not judging , if someone wants to stand in a hallway to make or receive calls , that’s entirely up to them , but in your case the obvious and simple solution is a DECT handset running on its battery during the day , located in the hallway  , and placed on its charging cradle to charge overnight , that charging cradle likely to be the DECT basestation that’s connected to the router phone port …that way no mains needed in the hallway , what’s more should the person on the phone fancy a comfortable sit down somewhere else , they are not tied by a phone cord , although I sense a ‘why should I buy a new cordless phone’ comment will be forthcoming.

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Message 22 of 40

Re: Connecting Digital Voice

@licquorice - I guess that's true, but my parents are set in their ways! They sit on the stairs if on the downstairs phone for any length of time. Upstairs they take it into the adjoining bedroom and sit on the bed, or into the 'office' on the other side of the landing and sit on a comfy swivel chair beside the computer. They have an extension in the kitchen as well and use that for phoning businesses, sitting at the table and making notes. The extension sockets all bear the old British Telecom "T" (in a circle) logo, as does the master socket. I don't know why they never had extensions put in the lounge or master bedroom, but they've always managed without and have never even gone cordless, though my father has a 'smart' mobile phone. I suppose there's something to be said for keeping one's bedroom a peaceful 'phone free' zone! And I do think corded phones make you listen more carefully to the other person as you can't pace around and distract yourself. Having a proper phone conservation seems to be a dying art, like letter writing.

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Message 23 of 40

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Thank you for all the responses to my original query.

I gave in and bought a new handset and DV is now working.  I had to install the phone near the BT Hub, so in the living room, now whenever the phone rings I jump about 5 feet!😅

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Message 24 of 40

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I certainly remember the days when phones (owned by BT not the customer) were in the hallway. I remember thinking we were well off because my doctor father also had an extension upstairs by the bed for "on call" night calls whereas most girls at school just had the one phone and ujsually in the hallway only which is where I think BT put it. It might flow from the days when a servant even in middle class homes with a maid might answer the phone and see if the mistress of the house were available (Hyacinth Bucket is now coming to mind.....)

 

At peak time here in my house we had phones in SEVEN rooms round the house. I am now down to one in my home office (on digital voice now).

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Message 25 of 40

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I have now been switched over to DV. My set up is that the NTE5C is in the hall (god knows why in a 10 year old house) and has no phone connected to the analogue port, there is no digital connection either. I have an FTTP connection terminating  on an ONT upstairs in the study with the SH2 located nearby. The SH2 413 analogue phone socket is connected to the internal extension wiring via a doble ended 413 plug cable. At the master socket I have removed the front plate isolating the external analogue line from the internal extension cabling ( the NTE5C is actually a network test and termination apparatus). Finally one of the two phones would not ring to I inserted an ADSL filter to convert from symmetrical two wire ringing to a separate bell wire. I also have two BT advanced DECT phones to replace DECT phones that failed a few weeks ago due old age and heat!

All is working as well as a badly designed lash up from an Mobile IP voice system can manage.

My question is what do I do to tidy up the missing front plate of the NTE5Cv2 so that I can re-insert it without exposing the SH2 to an voltage from a still active line card (a number of customers share that card so it can't be removed and removing the MDF wiring requires wasted effort) in the System X RCU or even in future when a wireman's error could expose the incoming pair to faulty voltages. It currently looks a mess and I want a solution that does not require me to rewire or replace the NTE5C because since my stroke that is not practical . 

 

 

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Message 26 of 40

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Just simply disconnect/cut the incoming wires and tape them then replace the faceplate.

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Message 27 of 40

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As I said  I can't currently do that because of my stroke. I had hoped that there was a  way of modifying the front plate to stop it connecting the exchange line to the extension wiring. I am not then changing the Openreach owned hardware. I cannot currently change hardware fixed to the wall or redecorate!

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Message 28 of 40

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Sorry, if you can't do something as simple as that I can't see that you can do anything. Surely 'modifying the faceplate' is more complicated than simply disconnecting a couple of wires from the faceplate. There is no need to change hardware or redecorate.

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Message 29 of 40

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I can get my son to put in a modified faceplate but he will not mess about with live 50v wiring.

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Message 30 of 40

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Its not exactly rocket science. He's unlikely to suffer from a 50v shock (which he is unlikely to get) either.