Fibre cable in the road location confusion

[exxos]

Can someone please clarify this fibre routing as I cannot find a answer, other than the fibre cable will use the existing routes (where the copper lines are now).

BUT, if you look at our road, the fibre route ends bottom left of the image, by our bushes. But this is the wrong side of the drive way.  If you follow the line in the road at the top right of the image.. that goes past the current underground junction, and a few meters more, is where the cable goes under our driveway to our front door. 

The problem is, which route would BT use ? As the fibre cable , going by where the dug up the road, is one end of the drive (bottom left of image) but the existing copper cable actually runs across the drive more towards the top right of the image. 

When someone came around door-to-door they said they would have to use the fibre route (bottom left) and route the cable to our lounge, however we have no copper lines in the lounge at all. So basically fibre-optic cable route would be doing a huge unnecessary U-turn using the new route, as opposed to using the old route where the copper is...

If BT would use new the fibre route as outlined in the road, they would have to dig up our driveway basically to route the cable to our lounge.. Then navigate around 2 doors as there is no copper lines from the lounge to the hallway where the master socket is.. That really makes no sense... It seems like a LOT of pointless work to me. 

If they just use the existing route where the copper is now, surely they can just pull the fibre cable through that ?! This is what other posts on the forum seem to suggest..

So I don't really get what route BT would use and I cannot really find a answer to this question either.

[pippincp]

If your property is supplied underground via a duct then there is no problem. When you get full fibre installed the copper connection becomes redundant. It doesn't matter where your master socket is.

[iniltous]

Presumably the ‘scars’ in the carriageway are testament to recent excavations , which was presumably needed because this isn’t a ducted location and the copper cable service is via underground DIG ( direct in ground ) , the image suggests that , no obvious existing footway jointboxes etc . 
It also seems this ( cul-de-sac ? ) has no footpaths , the front gardens appearing to extend to the roadside curb ( in reality is a service strip will exist , but most householders assume that this area is their garden , so to avoid issues with householders objection to excavation in what the assume is their gardens , a much more expensive excavation is made in the carriageway rather than in the soft surface ( grass ) of the service strip as can be  seen in the top right of the image.

The location of where OR have terminated the duct , is the point where service will be provided from (should the householder order  it )

 OR will look to use shortest practical route to the property wall , that doesn’t have to be anywhere near the existing copper service or NTE , so ( although it’s difficult to tell ) if opposite this point is the garage wall ( not the lounge. ) then that’s where they would look to place the CSP, and then from that point a cable on the wall  to the ONT location…..this is a negotiation between OR and the householder.

If what  OR want to do is unacceptable to the householder or what the   householder wants  is refused due to cost/complication , then the order can always be cancelled

[36ULW]

It is definitely Openreach and or one of its Contractors who have done that?

It’s just by time I left Openreach they had binned off using Toby Boxes, which I assume they’ve fitted there and just started putting CBT’s in the nearest JF4//6 Boxes. Then as and when people ordered it they’d duct up to that house, which they can then use to extend to other houses.

Are there any Toby Boxes, if so it would have the Network Providers name on it.

[exxos]

Thanks for people's input.

I don't remember who fitted the new cable unfortunately. I don't remember it being openreach but it's only a guess..

From what I could tell with my searches, if there is a ducting under the ground ,they would use that for the fibre route. Looking it up on BT site ,it does say there is a 2.5" duct underground. So I would assume they would use that because otherwise they would have to dig up half the driveway!

There is a underground access point, it is actually a couple of metres further up on the top right on my image. Though it is actually in someone's garden under a load of bushes. So I cannot really go hacking at the guys bushes to see what is there.. But that point does actually go directly to our property I believe ,as our copper line broke a few years ago and that was the first point he went looking at..

[iniltous]

https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADSL/AddressHome

Openreach FTTP availability is shown here , a typical entry for a ducted property ( usually built 1990’s onwards) is 

Our records show the following FTTP network service information for these premises:-Single Dwelling Unit Residential UG Feed with no anticipated issues.

There now seems to be some doubt if the excavation were for Openreach or someone else , Alternative Networks ( City Fibre , Netomnia etc ) can and do use Openreach infrastructure but also build their own .

If your address was built around 1960s-1990 , chances are it’s DIG , armoured cables direct in the ground ,  the area will  have a few  jointboxes where several individual armoured house lead in cables are connected to the network cables , but this type of area needs lots of work before FTTP can be provided, as no duct exists to each individual house .

As stated by @36ULW , for the last year or so , the policy isn’t to do large scale excavations to ‘enable’ each address ( in anticipation of getting orders, this is expensive and not guaranteed that orders will be received )  Openreach now only excavate after an order is received ( once the easy part of the FTTP network is placed in existing joint boxes) the survey note is different in these cases , something along the lines of ‘ partial DIG’ .

If the excavation was very  recent , that suggests it’s not Openreach that arranged this work , but it belongs someone else .