False promises on setting up Full Fibre

[Paul608085]

@iniltous 

"Openreach can’t use anyone else’s infrastructure , they are not allowed to use anyone else’s ducts , boxes etc , the only sharing agreement agreement called PIA is a one way deal , others can use Openreach , Openreach cannot use anyone else’s infrastructure. "

Is that an OFCOM regulation, or Openreach's own choice?

[iniltous]

It’s an imposition not a choice , Openreach are paid a peppercorn rent for alternative network cables in OR ducts and alternative networks putting equipment in OR jointboxes and on telegraph poles , but it’s a fraction of the price it would cost these Alt Nets to build their own networks, and requires honesty and integrity from those companies to declare when and where they use OR infrastructure,  most Alt Nets do both , build some network and rent space in and on Openreach , but there is no quid pro quo , any network they build has no reciprocal agreement that requires it to be offered for others to use ....incredibly this also includes Virgin Media , who have a massive footprint, but don’t have to offer access ( so they don’t ) but can leech onto the Openreach network 

[NigelB72]

@iniltous well they managed to lay full fibre to ours and the surrounding streets in a couple of weeks without digging up a single road.. so they've used someone's infrastructure 

[iniltous]

If you mean Openreach have managed to lay fibre to yourself and surrounding streets without digging up a single road , they did so utilising their own network assets, not by using anyone else’s.

[chrisjp]

"they (BT & EE) are entirely separate companies in the BT Group and deal with their customers separately".

If that was truly the case, BT couldn't switch their customers to EE when they seek to renew their contracts, or set up a different contract.
But, as reported in this forum, BT do this all the time. It does seem that when it's advantageous to BT to switch a customer to EE they do this, but when something goes wrong BT blames EE and EE blames BT (and both of them blame Openreach!)

[iniltous]

BT group have stated that New EE is the groups consumer division and BT will become the business division, so although BT and EE are operationally separate there is a group mission to encourage migration of residential customers onto EE from BT ….obviously as a group there are synergies, and the option such as TUPE of BT customers representatives to EE is available, and the voluntary loss of BT customers to EE doesn’t adversely affect the BT Group bottom line , but BT and EE are still functionally separate, if they were not the apparent mistakes moving BT customers to EE  wouldn’t be as problematic.