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BT's Home Phone Standard product

According to the documentation I've seen, the (new?) BT Home Phone Standard provides an existing customer with an update that provides SIP-type telephony features to existing analogue phone(s) and delivers this over the existing copper access without broadband.  This is apparently achieved without a customer visit or any equipment delivery.  If this is actually true, how is it achieved? 

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Re: BT's Home Phone Standard product

This looks like the type of inane AI generated answer to a vague or poorly posed question…DV is BT’s standard phone (telephony ) product , replacing the PSTN ( publicly switched telephone network) service , there is a way for DV to be delivered without using a BT SH2 broadband router at the customer’s address…in effect the ‘equipment’ to interface with DV sited at the exchange, not the customer address , 

https://www.bt.com/bt-plc/assets/documents/special-services/pdpl-wholesale-product-handbook.pdf

Basicaly at the customer end nothing changes , no extra equipment is needed, apart from the need to use the national number even for local call , they are in effect connected to ‘DV’ not the legacy PSTN network, this is only a transition product not intended to be used long term , and  it’s only for customers that currently have only telephone service (no broadband) on a copper pair 

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Re: BT's Home Phone Standard product

Many than thanks for your reply to my query.  It pretty much had to be implemented as you described.  As a long-long-ago exchange guy, I would be intrigued to know what the converter gubbins actually is.  Presumably can't be too costly as with all-DV around the corner it should have a shortish life. 

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Re: BT's Home Phone Standard product

I think you are missing the point. It is DV, just that the 'router' and ATA are at the exchange rather than at the customer's house. 

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Re: BT's Home Phone Standard product

To dumb it down to a basic level , consider how a ‘regular’ broadband DV customer connects to the service , they plug a standard phone into the telephone port of the BT router , fundamentally that’s  an ATA (analogue telephone adapter) ,  a 2wire 50v presentation to a domestic telephone instrument , the hub generates things such as local dialtone , ringing current etc , obviously the SH2 only needs  to provide sufficient electrical current etc for pretty short length home wiring and phone cord .
This transitional product is in essence the exchange equipment provided is also  an ATA , but needs to be sufficiently more  ‘powerful’ to run considerably longer copper pair lines from the exchange to the customer address ….the exchange kit is not simply a a rack of SH2 routers  with their ATA’s connected to the ‘telephone only’  customers  local loop  terminating at the customer wall socket , but for simplicity it can be considered like just like this , the  exchange equipment is using BT’s  21CN ( think of this as the broadband access ) with an associated ATA equipment connected to the customer’s cable pair at the exchange , so instead of the phone cord being a few meters in length , it now effectively can be 100’s or 1000’s of meters in length , so the customer has no need for locally powered  router , their ‘experience’  is identical to PSTN , in that they make no changes within their homes , with the caveat that the full national number needs to be used .

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Re: BT's Home Phone Standard product

Thanks for your response with its extra detail. 

I understand your description of the need for ATA functionality at the exchange but what is actually used for the Home_Phone_Standard product?   Nothing would be better than using a port on an existing 21C analogue line card to provide 40mA loop current, detect on hook/off hook and all the other ATA-ish analogue functions: indeed, an existing customer upgrading to this product would already be so connected.  However as you'd have to get the analogue line card to communicate with SIP its presumably not what's used !

So I remain intrigued!

 

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Re: BT's Home Phone Standard product

What’s your obsession with this completely made up terminology , Home_Phone_Standard product  ? , the standard BT telephone product is called Digital Voice , it’s a proprietary VoIP service .

If you are looking for the technical specifications, then this  forum is not likely to provide you with them , what’s more they would be of no use to you  anyway , it’s unclear what you are trying to accomplish, this  transitional product to all intents and purposes works in the same way as DV provided by a local broadband router , without the need for a broadband router to be connected at the customer’s property…the exact details of how it  interfaces  into BT’s 21CN equipment is  irrelevant to the customer , all they need to know is it functions in the same way as if the customers phone was connected to a SH2 phone port .

I suspect you will have to remain intrigued if that basic description is insufficient.

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Re: BT's Home Phone Standard product

Sorry if I've stepped over the mark. 

The Home Phone Standard title came from the customer documentation that I was shown. 

The rest is just a retiree's fascination for how things have changed but I'll leave it there. 

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https://www.bt.com/bt-plc/assets/documents/special-services/pdpl-customer-pack.pdf

 

Anything more technical won’t be available on public forums , you’d need an ‘insider’ to furnish you with details

 

 https://www.bt.com/about/all-ip/case-studies/pre-digital-phone-line

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Re: BT's Home Phone Standard product

@Endersby23  Although not down to schematics level , you may find more background and technical trends etc within past editions of the ITP Journal (IPOEE in the old days!) that, if you are ex BT / PO you can get access to for a retired members fee. Maybe worth a visit to theitp.org website? Just a thought. 

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