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Message 11 of 16

Re: Copper cutoff, no mobile signal and frequent electricity outages

All your points and concerns have already been raised on this forum. Rather than repeating them all you should use the search facility of the forum.

You should also have a read through this link.

 Solved: Digital Voice FAQs - BT Community

What I would say in conclusion is that the switch is going to go ahead at some point in the future, mean while I would reiterate that your main problem is not that the change is going ahead rather that the problem is your inept electricity company and I don't understand why you and your neighbours and other village occupants put up with it. If the electrical company did there job and gave you a reliable electrical supply you would not be posting here.

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Message 12 of 16

Re: Copper cutoff, no mobile signal and frequent electricity outages

Is your poor mobile coverage' just BT/EE what about all the other mobile providers Vodafone or 3 or O2?



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Message 13 of 16

Re: Copper cutoff, no mobile signal and frequent electricity outages

I think your approach shows a lack of understanding of the true implications of the cutoff and of the power outages now threatened each winter by the grid.

Why does the copper network need to be cut off? 
- Because it is no longer fit for purpose.
- The solution: to cut it off.
- Timeframe: December 2025.

Why do local electricity grids keep failing? 
- Because they are no longer fit for purpose.
- The solution, to upgrade the grid.
- Timeframe: Some 15-20 years, at a minimum.
- Reason: because grid upgrades cannot keep pace with increasing electricity consumption (see https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/aug/04/uk-must-build-power-lines-faster-to-get-backlog-...).

This is also backed up by the fact that the grid threatened power cuts last winter and is still offering incentives to people to only use electricity out of peak times and has not ruled out power cuts this winter.

Currently windfarms and solar arrays face a 10- to 15-year wait to connect to the power networks (see https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/aug/04/uk-must-build-power-lines-faster-to-get-backlog-...). 

So yes, the problem is the grid and is likely to be so for the next 10 to 20 years. 

And given that, power cuts are inevitable  and particularly in rural areas if the supply to urban areas is to be protected:
- Power outages mean no VOIP;
- Power outages therefore require mobile connectivity;

- No mobile signal means no connectivity of any kind;
- No connectivity means putting people's lives seriously at risk in the event of a medical or other emergency;
- Rural areas and particularly rural villages have the highest proportion of those aged 65 and over.
  (See Government statistics at https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1028...);
- Rural areas are those most likely to be hit by power outages;

- Premises in rural areas have just 47% mobile coverage indoors according to the government's own statistics (see https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN07069/SN07069.pdf);
- 53% of rural areas are therefore at risk in a power outage, the majority being over the age of 65;
- Those over the age of 65 are those most at risk of a medical emergency, particularly in a power outage.

The figures therefore speak for themselves. 

That being the case, I reiterate that prior to the cutoff BT needs to make provision for the 53% of rural areas that do not and will not have mobile connectivity.

Or is BT prepared to wash its hands of all liability for deaths resulting from an inability of a significant proprotion of the country to contact emergency services in an emergency situation such as a power cut?

With regard to your earlier comment:
- The fact that it might be possible to use a mobile signal if one travels to another area is irrelevant if you cannot phone home from that other location because signal fragmentation on reception makes the call unintelligible. 
- Nor is is relevant if an emergency call needs to be made from a home with no connectivity.
Furthermore, no thought has been given to those who cannot see well enough to operate a mobile phone.

I hope that I have now made my point a little more clearly and that BT will actually begin to consider the wider implications of leaving populations without an emergency battery.

 

 

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Message 14 of 16

Re: Copper cutoff, no mobile signal and frequent electricity outages

None of my concerns have been answered, despite what is said.  It would seem that BT is just washing its hands of the problem rather than looking at the reality.

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Message 15 of 16

Re: Copper cutoff, no mobile signal and frequent electricity outages

@AH11 wrote:

"I think your approach shows a lack of understanding of the true implications of the cutoff and of the power outages now threatened each winter by the grid."

I fully understand the "true" implication of the cut off, probably a lot better than you apparently do. 

As I said previously you should search the forum regarding it as your concerns have been well discussed and solutions both from BT and ones that you can implement yourself have been set out.

The closing of the analogue telephone system is not limited to BT. All telephone providers will also be dealing with it.

This is a FAQ link regarding the "shut off". I would suggest that you have a read through that as it points out to contact BT regarding your concerns.

Moving to Digital Voice | BT Help

Other links.

UK transition from analogue to digital landlines - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

Moving landline phones to digital technology: what you need to know - Ofcom

Which mentions what your telephone provider will do regarding your concerns.

As I have said, this subject has been done to death on the forum and as such I will no longer be posting on your thread.

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Message 16 of 16

Re: Copper cutoff, no mobile signal and frequent electricity outages

It is exactly this. 

 

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