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Hi everyone,

I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction.

I've recently moved into a cottage that's part of an old hall. Our cottage is the only one that's been renovated and occupied so far. The cottages opposite us all have broadband, but ours has no BT/Openreach socket or wiring at all.

We've already had two Openreach engineer appointments, but they both left without installing anything, and we still don't have any internet. Nobody has been able to tell us exactly what the issue is or what needs to happen next.

Since the neighbouring cottages have broadband, I'm assuming it should be possible for us too. Does anyone know who I need to speak to or what the next steps are? Is this something Openreach needs to resolve, or is there something the property owner or developer needs to arrange first?

Has anyone been in a similar situation or have any advice on how to get this sorted?

Thanks in advance!

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Re: New connection

Who is your intended provider?

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You probably need to ask the developer what provision they made as far as broadband was concerned and  in a similar ‘ utility’ vein , does this property have its own gas and electric consumer unit (gas is optional not every address has  mains gas ) ,its own metered water supply etc , if it doesn’t then its not really  a standalone, independent single address but simply an addition to the main residence and there is no obligation to provide any utilities into it .


If this ‘cottage’ never had its own appearance on the Royal Mail postcode website previously, does it have that now ?  , is it registered for its own council tax , does it have its own  letter box etc , if not , it’s effectively still just a part of the ‘Hall’ , basically you need to confirm with the developer as well as registering the property with the appropriate authorities correctly ,  they also advised Openreach and entered into an arrangement for installation of OR network  , that’s if it were Openreach they wanted to use for broadband, there are many other networks available so perhaps the developers intention was to use someone else .

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Hi, thanks for taking the time to reply.

The cottage has been fully split from the main Hall and is a separate property. It has its own Royal Mail address and postcode, its own council tax account, its own electricity supply and meter, and its own letterbox. It’s all electric (no mains gas), and the water supply is also being separated as part of the development.

The only issue seems to be broadband. I ordered BT  Fibre, but when the Openreach engineer visited they said there isn’t currently a route into the property, so it looks like it may need either a new underground duct or an overhead cable to connect it. I can actually see the grey Openreach fibre boxes outside the neighbouring cottages, so the network appears to be very close.

In the meantime, I’ve ordered a mobile broadband connection and I’m hoping that’ll work as a temporary solution while I get to the bottom of the Openreach situation.

I’ll also speak to the developer to see what provision, if any, was made for broadband.

Thanks again for your help – I really appreciate it.

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If your address appears on the Royal Mail site , it may appear here , (TBH , it probably does , otherwise you couldn’t raise an order , ) 

Does it show WBC FTTP , or just copper based products (SoGEA for  example)  , snip and post the entire return if you want an explanation of what’s shown.

https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/

 

If FTTP is available very close by , it’s possible that when your general area was surveyed etc your address wasn’t existing so no capacity was provided for it , which could require incremental build to pick your address up , you can also fill in this formwize, there is a  section along the lines of ‘my neighbours can get FTTP but I can’t ,filling this in only worth doing if the BTw checker doesn’t show WBC FTTP .

 

 

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Thanks for your reply. I've checked the BT Wholesale Broadband Checker and my address only shows SOGEA/copper-based products with estimated speeds of 67–80 Mbps - there's no WBC FTTP available. The confusing part is that I've previously placed a broadband order, but after multiple engineer visits nothing was ever installed. I own the property, there doesn't appear to be an Openreach master socket anywhere in the house, and no one has been able to explain exactly what's preventing the installation.

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When the cottage was split off from the main residence and made a dwelling in its own right , when the developer made provision for the electric, and water/sewerage they should have  also contacted Openreach about communications , presumably they never did .

The way these things generally work , the address pops up on the Royal Mail because the developer did this part of registration of a new property correctly , Openreach use a version , PAF to list all habitable addresses , these are assigned a category Gold , Silver , Bronze , search something like Openreach Gold address to get an AI summary of what criteria are used for each category, yours will likely be bronze .

Something like a bronze address does have a process to get service installed , but it can be lengthy , and  some locations are going to be more problematic than others , say (for example) a situation like this , part of a larger property split off and sold , the seller granted access rights over their access road to allow the new owner or visitors to get to the new  property but included nothing else , nothing but the property itself was ‘sold’  , basically the new owner is compelled g(but allowed) to use someone else’s driveway and footpath to get to their property, and assume direct overhead cabling to the property is impossible even though telegraph poles are near by , there is no direct line of sight to the building from the pole ,  or it’s impossible to achieve the necessary height across roads , footpaths, other buildings etc , so a new pole is needed, but it would have to be sited in someone else’s property (possibly the previous owner of the property that’s been sold ) …obviously this builds in delay , while OR approach the landowner with a proposal (that can be refused) or the landowner agrees to a pole but expects more that the normal wayleave payment , so OR walk away , poles are considered the default, say the landowner insists on underground service but doesn’t want payment for it just wants no ‘clutter’ you would be expected pay the difference between what a pole would cost and what the underground scheme would cost, these costs need to be worked out and presented to your provider, who generally passes it on to you , as can be seen there can be a lot of potential issues .

I’m not saying this is the case with your property, it just gives an indication of the potential problems and why the developer getting these things arranged in advance is important and the delay that can follow if they don’t act in advance , new property can’t be sold without water and electricity existing, there is no such stipulation for telecoms .

You don’t actually say which provider it is you  have approached , often when people post on here with vague statements like BT/Openreach , it’s because they have no intention really of using BT , preferring to use almost anyone else , but they incorrectly assume BT must be involved so they post here thinking Openreach and BT are one and the same but they are not , many providers only want straightforward Gold type addresses and will simply cancel complicated orders ….is it BT you contacted as there is no such organisation as BT/Openreach , if it were Sky (for example) you would prefer to use , they have exactly the same relationship with Openreach and should arrange anything that BT could arrange.

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