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KCI2 Assure

FTTP is finally available for my house. But on the wholesale checker it says KCI2 Assure under FTTP.

Looking on different topics I believe this only happens when an install is ongoing. Is this correct?

But I have not signed up to any providor yet.

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Re: KCI2 Assure

KCI2 assure is a two stage install ( it’s not what you think ) basically at the network survey stage before the FTTP network was built , an issue with your address ( although the same issue may affect many others ) was identified that requires the installation to be done in two stages , this only happens if an order is raised , if no order comes in no work is done ( apart from the work already done to get FTTP into the area , that work was what enabled orders to be raised via ISP’s in the first place ) 

 An example could be , someone’s existing copper pair service is underground but not ducted, the fibre network is available but 20m away ….the first stage is to get a duct from the FTTP location 20m away to the  house wall , requiring excavation in the footpath and an agreed route through the  garden , once this is agreed and the first stage work is done , there is the means to get a new optical cable to the  house wall from the location of the FTTP equipment , the second stage ( obviously dependent on success of the first stage ) completes the installation ( the work to fit the FTTP equipment in the home ) ….this isn’t the only reason KCI2 is stated , but gives an idea why some installations can’t be done in one visit , even someone with an overhead service ( so an existing copper cable from a telegraph pole )  , could be KCI2 , if installation of a new overhead optical cable would present issues .

The checker you used to establish your address is KCI2 also gives an indication of what the  issue is , it looks like this ( although this is not a KCI2 , but a straightforward installation address )


Our records show the following FTTP network service information for these premises:-Single Dwelling Unit Residential UG Feed with no anticipated issues.

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Thank you for your detailed reply.

These is the status when using the BT checker. I do have underground cabling but I was told by open reach who were working on my round a few weeks ago it is in a duct.

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Re: KCI2 Assure

@Iceman1 

The note states "Single Dwelling Unit Residential UG Pre built to curtilage Soft"

This usually means they have ducted and put a Toby box near your property boundary. The curtilage Soft then means a dig maybe required to install duct from that Toby box to the property outside wall but as it's soft I'm assuming it maybe garden like grass or soft material that can be dug up and then put back down and made to original state.

This will be why it's also a "2" stage install (aka KCI2) rather than a 1 stage install

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Re: KCI2 Assure

Thanks for the reply.

There is a box on the pavement which is about 30m away. The first 25m of this is tarmac and the last 5m to my house is grass. 

So I assume the last bit is the soft area it's referring to. 

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If your property had a duct then there wouldn’t be the need for a new toby box in the footpath opposite your property….., no duct was the default situation for property built in the 1960’s till the early 1990’s.

What does the 30m refer to ? , is your front garden 30m in length and 25m of that is tarmac ? or have you have seen a toby box 30 meters away , and from there it’s 25m in the public footpath and 5m across your garden ( your garden being around 5m long ) ? , if the second option, are you sure there  isn’t there a closer Toby  box than the one you have seen  ? , if there isn’t , then it’s not really built to your  curtilage ( the boundary between your property and the public footpath )  , the correct survey note should be ‘partial DIG’ .


As stated , built to the curtilage soft should mean that at the boundary of the public footpath and your garden opposite your house there should be a new Toby box and from there to your house wall it’s should be mainly soft surface, ( that’s to  the proposed location where the new excavation would meet the house wall ) it’s not necessarily where the existing copper line enters , if the route  to the most convenient point  on the house wall had mainly to cross  hard surfaces like concrete, tarmac, brick pavers etc , then the correct survey note is build to the curtilage hard .

When the civils teams install toby boxes they try to avoid being opposite driveways and hard landscaping and opposite lawn ( soft ) surfaces , but obviously if someone had nothing but hard surfaces outside their property then it’s impossible to avoid them , footpaths can also be pretty congested places with other buried services , so the ‘best’ location for the Toby box  may not be available as other buried services are blocking that location.

This  method of service  of providing a toby boxes outside each property , or one outside a pair of semi’s is the same as what the cable industry did 30 years ago .

 

TBH, from your point of view , provided you agree to the excavation route , then it’s not really of any consequence to you if it’s soft or hard surfaces , a survey network note ( SNN )  is a guide for Openreach , this would only affect you if the excavation required was so great that the excess costs involved would require you to make a contribution towards them .

So in your case , it’s two stage installation, and the first stage consists of a visit to explain what’s required and the proposed route and if you are happy to proceed ( there will be situations where a scar down a newly landscaped garden/driveway means the householder changes their mind after being told what’s necessary ) but assuming you consent to what’s needed , an excavation and duct are installed from the nearest toby box to your house wall ….the first stage techs may also install the optical cable through the duct to the house wall once they have the  duct installed , or may leave the duct roped so the cable can easily be installed by the second stage engineer …either way , once the first stage is ‘booked off ‘ , the second stage appointment can be arranged ( this is the contractual date ) and the external cable is provided and spliced at a newly provided CSP block on the external wall to  an internal optical cable which is  ran to the location of the ONT inside the house , and the service authenticated, router connected etc .

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Re: KCI2 Assure

Openreach stopped using Toby Boxes a couple of years ago.

Instead all they do now on DIG Sites is built to the nearest Joint Box and as and when an EU Orders FTTP they’ll Dig and Duct from the CBT location to that EU’s house. 

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