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Message 11 of 26

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Thanks Steve. Needless to say that I am still having intermittent drops in signal on almost a daily basis and another visit from an Openreach engineer, is scheduled for Friday afternoon. I'm hoping that the overhead cable will finally be replaced, as it is the only solution that has not been tried, but I am not holding my breath.

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John 

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Message 12 of 26

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I have empathy with you John with regards your ongoing issue which I feel is so much worse than my own. I really hope that replacing the overhead solves your issue. I hear your frustration in your words and I know speaking without contradiction all you want is to pay for a good service and like me you will be happy. 

I have another complaint with BT in the fact I can't view my billing/usage online. Nothing has happened with regards this and have 2 more weeks, 6 weeks in total before I can take this to the Communication Ombudsman but thats another story. 

So fingers crossed for you 

Regards, 

Steve. 

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Message 13 of 26

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You sound like a kindred spirit, Steve. I have been down the route with the Communications Ombudsman and found them to be as effective as a chocolate tea pot. I hope that you have betterluck.

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John

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Message 14 of 26

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Needless to say that the Openreach engineer refused to exchange the overhead cable to my premises, as he could not identify the intermittent fault with my service. I showed him evidence of the online reports from BT, implying that the issue is caused by a stale PPP session fault and explained that the cable was the only item of equipment, that had yet to be replaced. Surprisingly, he appeared oblivious of the fact that his was the 15th visit to my premises, by either a BT or Openreach engineer, not to mention that VOL053-8502009814494, is the 85th recorded fault with my service, since upgrading to Full fibre. Personally, it seems incredulous that both BT and Openreach are continuing to claim ignorance of this issue, particularly as it is now being widely reported upon these forums. More to the point, it is concerning that  whatever remote monitoring mechanisms are being employed, they seemingly cannot identify the intermittent drops in connectivity.  Although my service is again being monitored remotely by Openreach, I can guarantee that the fault will be closed within 7 days, alleging that it is I who have notified them, that it has been fixed. You couldn't make it up.

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Message 15 of 26

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Not surprised the tech refused to change your dropwire as there  is absolutely no evidence to suggest it needs replacing, if the LOS light has never been lit , then replacing it would serve no purpose, you seem fixated on a stale  PPP session, can you speculate how a faulty dropwire that doesn’t bring on a LOS light can cause that ?

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Message 16 of 26

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John, 

I can not believe how your situation goes from bad to worse. Coming from an engineering background we always used the process of elimination. When you elimate everything it cant be then you are left with the things it could be. Not to change the overhead is just shocking. Intermittent faults are the worse to find so again you want to eliminate an item to track down the issue.

Is there any way they could get up a "monitoring station" at your premises? Not sure if they could but this would capture the drop of connectivity at the "user" end rather than upstream at "supply" end as you mentioned the monitoring they are doing does do seem incapable of capturing the fault? I know that is more a rhetorical question John just trying to think outside the box. 

Steve 

 

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Message 17 of 26

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With respect @iniltous, BT's own online test is now identifying the stale PPP session fault on an almost daily basis (enclosed) and it has been witnessed by Customer Support Guides, during numerous telephone conversations. I would reiterate that VOL053-8502009814494, is the 85th recorded fault with my service, since upgrading to Full Fibre and politely point out, that it is the BT guides, who have scheduled the 15 visits by either a BT or an Openreach engineer. For your information and although it is rare, the red LOS light has come on briefly, but more often than not, it is a flashing green PON light, that is shown upon the ONT. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't this confirm that my problem with the incoming light signal is external. Therefore and from my humble perspective, as it has now been ongoing for some time and as every other item of equipment has been exchanged on numerous occasions, I simply believe that the cable should be replaced, if only to eliminate it as the cause of the issue. 

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Message 18 of 26

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A flashing PON light indicates the OLT (headend ) and ONT are negotiating/authenticating , it’s not a loss of signal, unsurprisingly that is indicated by the LOS (loss of signal ) light coming on , however if you are seeing the PON light turn from steady green to flashing green randomly and for no apparent reason , it’s not an optical issue (nothing wrong with the light level etc ) but is not normal operation either , once authenticated the PON light should remain steady even if switching providers or having no ISP providing service at all  , if the correct power supply is maintained to the ONT there is no reason the PON light should ever flash , so for example if you switched to Virgin and ceased your Openreach based FTTP service the PON light remains steady green , it’s  unaffected by anything the ISP does unless the local mains is switched off and on.

Given  the number of investigations and no Openreach/ISP defects being detected are you confident there are no issues with your house mains wiring , affecting the incoming supply to the ONT PSU  ?, remote a possibility it may be , but with considering if other avenues have been explored with no issues found .

Another poster pointed out the value of using the process of elimination to locate the fault , your mains power supply could conceivably need to be eliminated using that paradigm , perhaps run an extension lead from somewhere else to power the ONT , or better still invest in a UPS 

 

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@iniltous For your info, my 1 bed bungalow had been completely refurbished prior to upgrading to Full Fibre 900, which obviously included complete rewiring. Initially, as for the first 6 months the issue was continually being diagnosed as being internal, it resulted in numerous visits from BT engineers. As a result, the Hub was relocated on several occasions and each time, the internal cabling was replaced and every item of equipment was disconnected, so as to eliminate it from their investigation. I was even persuaded to upgrade to "Halo" but incredulously, my internal speeds were significantly reduced, when the mini discs were installed.

In the meantime, the drops in signal have now been ongoing for over 3 years, but it is only recently, that I have witnessed either a red LOS light, or a flashing green PON light, upon my ONT. More to the point, I would reiterate that the Stale PPP session fault, which was first diagnosed in November 2023, has now been reported on an almost a daily basis, since October 2025.  

Going forward and according to my own online research, a flashing green PON light indicates that my ONT is attempting to establish connection with BT's headend, but cannot complete the handshake. The recent visit from an Openreach engineer has ruled out authentication failure and established that the fibre connectors are clean. However, he was dismissive of my claims that the cable itself could be at fault, despite this having been identified as a possible contributing factor. He implied that the signal loss could be being caused by a fault with the port at the Optical Line Terminal at the local exchange and stated that he had arranged to have the connection monitored. However and although it continues, as of today, the fault has again been closed. 

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TBH , the LOS light on the ONT  (loss of signal from the OLT ) coming on is clearly an issue ,  the PON light flashing is probably a consequence of the dropped service /signal being restored , then a connection re-established , in other words the LOS leads into the PON flashing once the signal is restored , and even the stale PPP you observed could be a consequence of this improper disconnection  , but initially at least you implied that the stale PPP session was happening in isolation when it may be the stale PPP is also a consequence of the LOS .

However , you also state the LOS coming on is much less frequent than the actual problem , and the flashing PON light which is indicating that re-authentication is taking place between the ONT and OLT is also less frequent than the overall problem (but more frequent than the LOS coming on ) , so those facts doesn’t fit in either , although it’s understandable that this may happen when no one is observing the ONT .

Although this scenario suggests a more logical order in the way events are taking place , ONT - OLT connection drops (LOS lights up briefly,  so briefly you don’t see it ) signal is then restored , ONT/OLT start reconnecting/authentication (you occasionally notice the PON light flashing ) , Openreach service comes back up ( that’s the Openreach service between the ONT-OLT ) , but because of the way the OR service dropped (possibly only a few milliseconds) the onward session from the OLT to the BT Gateway is left ‘hanging’ and you need to reset the router to clear that PPP session and establish a new one , you see this and assume it’s the cause rather than the effect.


This may seem a reasonable explanation of the way this fault unfolds, and may suggest the optical dropwire should be replaced (just for the sake of eliminating it as a potential fault) , and with this new info you supply, I’d agree , as the ONT already has been changed , but I can see why there is a reluctance to do that , generally the passive part of the network doesn’t present faults like this , if the signal were absent completely (because the fibre were broken) the LOS would stay on , if it were not broken but had high loss (like a dodgy splice or poor mechanical fit like the CBT connection or the optical plug into the ONT was dirty  ) you  would expect to see (measure ) a reduced signal level at the ONT , so basically the ONT is ‘hanging on’ by a thread because the light level is barely adequate and when it reduces further it drops the ONT  , but presumably  the signal level has been checked , probably many times .
If the headend were pushing out poor ‘light’ all ONT on that PON would suffer not just you .


When you had an ONT change , was the PSU also changed or the original one used ? thats also the
why I asked about your own home ‘mains’ as the mains voltage dropping could cause the ONT problems if it had poor input voltage (via the PSU ) .