FULL FIBRE

[jimmurdoch]

You've not missed much, WSH.  It was just a plan of my house.  Walls and doors everywhere. 😀

[WSH]

Looks very nice but the detail is difficult to see.

As people have said, it’s not an exact science, as Wi-Fi can be influenced by so many things, but that central corridor and plasterboard walls should make it a piece of cake.

Assuming you expect the ONT to be where the red mark is, I think I’d run a cat 5e or 6 cable out into the central corridor with the access point wall mounted in the middle of the corridor.  (I’m assuming there is a convenient power socket in the corridor).

Failing that, two wireless access points should be enough.  One about a third of the way along the corridor and the other two thirds etc.  A mesh system would work well as they would have clear line of sight on each other, but the corridor would make a cable connection straightforward and more reliable.

You could also do it with the simpler and more traditional “wireless roaming”, (i.e. two separate wireless access points), if you don’t mind a device dropping and reconnecting when you move from room to room.  (That’s only a problem if you walk around with things connected, of course).

That central corridor would also lend itself to putting a switch in the corridor and running a cable to each room.  (As I said before, real networks have cables).

Edit:  That central corridor would also lend itself to you running a cat 6 cable from the ONT into the room where the router currently is, so leaving the router more or less where it is now.  As was said before, theoretically that cable will reach 100m.  Certainly, in practice, it will do 80m without difficulty, so it doesn't matter if the cable has to follow a convoluted path.

[jimmurdoch]

Hi WSH

Many thanks for taking the time send through such a comprehensive post.  I do appreciate that.  I’m going to play the age card here.😊 I’m 72 and I have to confess that a lot of it has passed over my head.  However, what I will do is I will print off your comprehensive reply and make it available to the engineer when they visit.

We built our house without any cables above ground.  The BT Broadband package we have has been perfect for about 20 years, BUT, BT will not allow us to renew it.  We have to go ‘Full Fibre’ ☹

The router is currently at the front of the house and in the middle of the house lengthwise which is pretty good.  However, The wire will have to come into the rear of the property where the pole is this time.

I don’t think I have got the stomach to have any cables in the house.

A final batch of questions.  Please DO NOT feel obliged to reply to these questions which will probably give you a good chuckle. 😊

1. I had hoped that a couple of plug in WiFi Boosters from Argos would have done the trick but seemingly not. ☹
2. I think I am okay for electric sockets but are multiple extension sockets permissible if necessary?

1. My understanding is that ‘Full Fibre’ will provide faster downloads, but will it provide a stronger/longer connection?

1. I believe that the wire will have to come from the pole to the eaves of the house.  Is there a minimum height that the wire can come to on the house?

1. Currently, my Blue Tooth signal can reach about 80% of the length of the house.  Is this information of any relevance to my internet signal?

1. I read somewhere that the WiFi would typically reach 30 metres.  Would this mean a permanent circular coverage of 30 metres or 15 metres?

1. As I said, DO NOT feel obliged reply to this post.  You may be better off taking a couple of paracetamols and lying in a darkened room for an hour or so.

1. For everyone else who has tried to help me with this situation I say “Thank you very much indeed.”

[licquorice]

As someone older than you I have no idea why you think age is in any way relevant.

I have no idea why you think your fibre connection will come from the pole when your current connection is underground.

There are many ways of increasing WiFi coverage which may or may not be required.

As said previously, stop trying to cross bridges until you come to them.

[jimmurdoch]

Fair doos, Licquorice.  You've got me laughing out loud. 😂😂😂

[WSH]

Firstly, age doesn’t enter into it.  I’m 68 myself and a retired IT tech.

1. I had hoped that a couple of plug in WiFi Boosters from Argos would have done the trick but seemingly not. ☹

No reason why they shouldn’t but I doubt you’ll need them.  If you do you could use powerline adapters with built-in wi-fi or a “mesh” system.

1. I think I am okay for electric sockets but are multiple extension sockets permissible if necessary?

Yes, I’m running two routers and an ONT on a three-socket lead myself.  9m long and goes through the hall doorframe to a socket in the living room.  Works fine and the installer was OK with it.

1. My understanding is that ‘Full Fibre’ will provide faster downloads, but will it provide a stronger/longer connection?

Not entirely sure what you mean, but in terms of how far you are away from the cabinet, yes.  FTTC would go about 1km from the cabinet and the speed dropped off really sharply after about 70m.  An FTTP PON doesn’t use the cabinet and comes direct from the headend, which can be up to 20km away.  FTTP doesn't suffer from the vagaries of FTTC.  Mine says 150Mb/s and it's 150Mb/s every time, no matter how often I restart it etc.

1. I believe that the wire will have to come from the pole to the eaves of the house.  Is there a minimum height that the wire can come to on the house?

This is not really my field and @iniltous would be better to answer this, but I think it has to be at least 4m off the ground.  I may well be wrong there.  If you put ducts in when you built the house, they will use the same duct.  I don't know why you think they will use the pole.  They'll use the existing route, if at all possible.  (The @ I've used there will flag in iniltous' inbox, so he'll know he's had a mention.  He'll probably take a look at why and reply then.  It may take 24 hours, though).

Currently, my Blue Tooth signal can reach about 80% of the length of the house.  Is this information of any relevance to my internet signal?

No, that’s a completely separate system.

1. I read somewhere that the WiFi would typically reach 30 metres.  Would this mean a permanent circular coverage of 30 metres or 15 metres?

Potentially it could be a lot more than that but, as has been said already, it depends on what is in the way.  The working range varies from one property to another and tends to be “how long is a piece of string”.  I will add, however, that 5GHz travels a lot less further than 2.4GHz.  5GHz does deliver a lot more speed, particularly the Wi-Fi 6 and Wi-Fi 7 standards can be gigabit.  2.4GHz is limited to about 450Mb/s.

1. As I said, DO NOT feel obliged reply to this post.  You may be better off taking a couple of paracetamols and lying in a darkened room for an hour or so.

Beer works much better.

[WSH]

While I think about it, going back to the Wi-Fi question about is it circular...  It depends on the design of the antenna but domestic Wi-Fi units are usually like a doughnut shape.  Circular but the signal tends to be weakest directly above and below.

(As an aside, the max power output is subject to a legal limit but if you focus it all in one direction with directional aerials, it can go 2km with clear line of sight).

[iniltous]

The OP was supplied with a link that would show  if the new FTTP service would be delivered overhead or underground, they haven’t posted the results or indicated which method will be used , if it’s overhead then the minimum height required for a drop-wire is around 5.5- 5.8m over a road or around 3m over footpath/garden etc ,so the relative position of the pole to the property is key but as pointed out if the current copper pair service is underground it’s not that common (but possible) for the replacement FTTP service to be overhead , especially if the pole in question wasn’t provided specifically for the FTTP rollout , and it already existed delivering copper services to other properties but not the one in question,  it’s unlikely to be used even if it now has FTTP equipment on it , generally the ‘mapping’ of addresses is to the existing copper distribution, but it could be used in some circumstances, that’s why the link was provided to remove any uncertainty,

post the survey return and we’ll all know for sure .

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